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 Cpfc1861  25 May 20 11.42am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There's a right way to change the style of the civil service, and a wrong way. If it's the will of the people, all the people and not just those called Cummings or Badger, then let it be so. Done via Parliament. The civil service will have people supporting both remain and leave, although being closer to the realities of actual decision making I suspect there are more there who recognise the value of the EU than in the population as a whole. Of course, a PM needs advisers. They can be drawn from the civil service and relied upon to give impartial advice. The political decisions need to be made by the politicians we elect and not influenced, in any way at all, by those with particular viewpoints who have inveigled their way into the heart of government. Sounds good in theory but in practice it wouldn't work for the same reasons socialism wont work. Humans are not an impartial species we naturally push or reach for agendas that suit us no human being will ever be impartial.
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johnno42000  25 May 20 11.44am |
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Originally posted by Cpfc1861
But the reporters are exempt from the rules to because it supports the witch hunt. Have I said that? The rules should apply to everyone, mp's, journalists, advisors, royalty, everyone. If not then what is the point of having them? (I'll stress that I didn't agree with them in the first place)
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| Spiderman Horsham 25 May 20 11.46am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There's a right way to change the style of the civil service, and a wrong way. If it's the will of the people, all the people and not just those called Cummings or Badger, then let it be so. Done via Parliament. The civil service will have people supporting both remain and leave, although being closer to the realities of actual decision making I suspect there are more there who recognise the value of the EU than in the population as a whole. Of course, a PM needs advisers. They can be drawn from the civil service and relied upon to give impartial advice. The political decisions need to be made by the politicians we elect and not influenced, in any way at all, by those with particular viewpoints who have inveigled their way into the heart of government. Senior Civil Servants, in my experience, are incompetent. They write policy for departments in which they have no previous experience. To say they are not politically driven is nonsense. A few years ago head of Border Force was the driving force behind Damian Green’s office being raided by the police.
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cryrst  The garden of England 25 May 20 11.52am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There's a right way to change the style of the civil service, and a wrong way. If it's the will of the people, all the people and not just those called Cummings or Badger, then let it be so. Done via Parliament. The civil service will have people supporting both remain and leave, although being closer to the realities of actual decision making I suspect there are more there who recognise the value of the EU than in the population as a whole. Of course, a PM needs advisers. They can be drawn from the civil service and relied upon to give impartial advice. The political decisions need to be made by the politicians we elect and not influenced, in any way at all, by those with particular viewpoints who have inveigled their way into the heart of government. So your best mate who is qualified wont be allowed to help you then. Rather someone who you dont know because they may be impartial, which incidentally is impossible as we all have an opinion.
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| Spiderman Horsham 25 May 20 11.53am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
The Remain supporting gold plated pension Civil Service who have spent the last 4 years leaking against the elected government err no thanks. Governments have always had advisors Cummings is no different to his predecessors. I don't know the man but Boris is in charge and he is entitled to have his own advisors if Cummings has done wrong then the establishment that you trust will no doubt bring him to book. I would be interested to know what you consider to be a gold plated pension. There is the Senior Civil Service and the rank and file. My pension was worked out as for every year worked, I received 1/80th of my final salary. I had to work every weekend every bank holiday, Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Years Day to make it a loveable amount ( as I am not eligible for old age pension yet).
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| Stirlingsays 25 May 20 12.00pm |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
Have I said that? The rules should apply to everyone, mp's, journalists, advisors, royalty, everyone. If not then what is the point of having them? (I'll stress that I didn't agree with them in the first place)
It's not realistic.
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| johnno42000 25 May 20 12.09pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's not realistic. Do you have any evidence to back up that 'most' people have broken these rules? Using 'father's instinct' as a defence is ridiculous as many fathers would have a similar instinct but would have followed the rules.
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| Spiderman Horsham 25 May 20 12.09pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I would be interested to know what you consider to be a gold plated pension. There is the Senior Civil Service and the rank and file. My pension was worked out as for every year worked, I received 1/80th of my final salary. I had to work every weekend every bank holiday, Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Years Day to make it a loveable amount ( as I am not eligible for old age pension yet). Liveable amount not loveable!!
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| cryrst The garden of England 25 May 20 12.35pm |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
Do you have any evidence to back up that 'most' people have broken these rules? Using 'father's instinct' as a defence is ridiculous as many fathers would have a similar instinct but would have followed the rules. Apart from the 10,000s that havent I guess.
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| cryrst The garden of England 25 May 20 12.36pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Liveable amount not loveable!! But you do love it though
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| johnno42000 25 May 20 12.37pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Apart from the 10,000s that havent I guess. Any proof? Or just instinct?
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| Midlands Eagle 25 May 20 12.48pm |
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Originally posted by johnno42000
Do you have any evidence to back up that 'most' people have broken these rules? Using 'father's instinct' as a defence is ridiculous as many fathers would have a similar instinct but would have followed the rules. If my father's instinct had told me that my family's safety depended on my breaking the rules I would have done so in an instant. in fact i have already done so as I have a family member who lives on her own in a flat and she has been staying with me for the past few weeks
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