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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 24 6.31pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Every independent study from sports bodies has found that men competing in women's sports is unfair. Some have set hormone limits - effectively excluding people born as men. Others have outright banned trans athletes at women's events. Others have let people who were previously men compete but have, obviously, faced problems - usually reversing their decisions quickly enough. Even the olympic council has found this - so they don't need to be experts, they can just be casual readers. Rather than the new trans crusader in charge of sports who nobody wants or needs. He could perhaps stick to sports rather than theoretical sociology. Sounds like he knows nothing about sports whatsoever. With due respect, I think you are making the same mistake. No one would argue that two very experienced female athletes aren't qualified about how to handle the kind of issues you describe. They are, and these issues, whilst thorny, are gradually being resolved. That though is not the same as being an expert on transgenderism itself. It's an entirely different subject that no one should pontificate about unless they are a genuine expert. Which ex-athlete sports presenters are not. Those who reduce this subject to simplistic ideas based only on anatomy have no idea at all about the issue.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 13 Jun 24 6.33pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
some people need a scientist to tell them what a man or woman is. . our Elites in Ireland refuse to listen to the words of scientists, nor of any other experts. its the new Voodoo religion of Woke-ism. The Truths & dictates of which do change every five minutes. Edited by PalazioVecchio (13 Jun 2024 6.39pm)
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 13 Jun 24 8.46pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
With due respect, I think you are making the same mistake. No one would argue that two very experienced female athletes aren't qualified about how to handle the kind of issues you describe. They are, and these issues, whilst thorny, are gradually being resolved. That though is not the same as being an expert on transgenderism itself. It's an entirely different subject that no one should pontificate about unless they are a genuine expert. Which ex-athlete sports presenters are not. Those who reduce this subject to simplistic ideas based only on anatomy have no idea at all about the issue. It would be reductionist of me to say that people who have transition surgery or hormone treatment seem to make it about anatomy too. But I do realise that most/ many probably don't go down that route in fairness.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 24 9.10pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
With due respect, I think you are making the same mistake. No one would argue that two very experienced female athletes aren't qualified about how to handle the kind of issues you describe. They are, and these issues, whilst thorny, are gradually being resolved. That though is not the same as being an expert on transgenderism itself. It's an entirely different subject that no one should pontificate about unless they are a genuine expert. Which ex-athlete sports presenters are not. Those who reduce this subject to simplistic ideas based only on anatomy have no idea at all about the issue. You are missing the key point, on purpose no doubt. The guy compared trans athletes to Jamaican sprinters and Ethiopian long distance runners. As has been suggested. It should come as no surprise that the BBC would employ such a nutcase.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 24 9.24pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You are missing the key point, on purpose no doubt. The guy compared trans athletes to Jamaican sprinters and Ethiopian long distance runners. As has been suggested. It should come as no surprise that the BBC would employ such a nutcase. That was stupid, but was a side issue. It was the transgender remark that caused the upset.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jun 24 9.26pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That was stupid, but was a side issue. It was the transgender remark that caused the upset. Hardly. Someone who believes that is not fit to be in charge of sport.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Jun 24 9.42pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Hardly. Someone who believes that is not fit to be in charge of sport. Was he in charge of anything when he said it? Did he believe it or try to make a very inappropriate analogy? All of us make those kind of silly mistakes. Most of us don’t have them displayed by the Mail much later as part of a restless campaign against the BBC.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 14 Jun 24 7.18am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
With due respect, I think you are making the same mistake. No one would argue that two very experienced female athletes aren't qualified about how to handle the kind of issues you describe. They are, and these issues, whilst thorny, are gradually being resolved. That though is not the same as being an expert on transgenderism itself. It's an entirely different subject that no one should pontificate about unless they are a genuine expert. Which ex-athlete sports presenters are not. Those who reduce this subject to simplistic ideas based only on anatomy have no idea at all about the issue. You are dismissing their views. They are both elite athletes who have a lot to say about their sport. You do not have to be an expert on Trans issues to point out the obvious unfairness of a 6ft muscle bound "woman" towering over "her" competitors. It's not just elite sport, girls are now losing out at school sports days for the same issue. At a recent netball game a "Woman" massively bigger than the rest actually injured 3 girls. I think it is perfectly reasonable for people to question the fairness of this and to ask their sports association what are they doing to ensure basic fairness across their sport. Most sports are now introducing open competitions alongside their male and female events. Edited by Badger11 (14 Jun 2024 7.19am) Edited by Badger11 (14 Jun 2024 7.21am)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 24 9.17am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
You are dismissing their views. They are both elite athletes who have a lot to say about their sport. You do not have to be an expert on Trans issues to point out the obvious unfairness of a 6ft muscle bound "woman" towering over "her" competitors. It's not just elite sport, girls are now losing out at school sports days for the same issue. At a recent netball game a "Woman" massively bigger than the rest actually injured 3 girls. I think it is perfectly reasonable for people to question the fairness of this and to ask their sports association what are they doing to ensure basic fairness across their sport. Most sports are now introducing open competitions alongside their male and female events. Edited by Badger11 (14 Jun 2024 7.19am) Edited by Badger11 (14 Jun 2024 7.21am) Not at all. They are fully entitled to their views on THIS subject which, because of their experience deserve to be taken seriously. That though isn’t the issue. It’s not how transgender people should be accommodated within sport that was the issue. It was transgenderism itself that was. Something that is highly personal to each individual experiencing gender dysphasia. Something that only experts can even attempt to understand.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jun 24 10.19am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Was he in charge of anything when he said it? Did he believe it or try to make a very inappropriate analogy? All of us make those kind of silly mistakes. Most of us don’t have them displayed by the Mail much later as part of a restless campaign against the BBC. Not all of us are employed by the BBC and have a public voice. Sack him now.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 24 10.34pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Not all of us are employed by the BBC and have a public voice. Sack him now. I don’t think he was employed by the BBC at the time he made the remarks. If the Daily Mail trawled though anyone’s dustbin and media records don’t you think they could find something to present in a way that looked bad?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jun 24 10.55am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t think he was employed by the BBC at the time he made the remarks. If the Daily Mail trawled though anyone’s dustbin and media records don’t you think they could find something to present in a way that looked bad? That makes it all the worse. If they were aware of his opinions, they knowingly employed that idiot. If they didn't know, they do now. Sack him.
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