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 Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 20 Jul 23 10.35am |
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The recent damage to the Crimea bridge has kind of back-fired. So wheat prices have gone through the roof. Ukraine's ability to export has all but been nullified. Russia threatening shipping around Crimea as potential enemies. Military and political ineptitude,..again
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Stirlingsays  20 Jul 23 10.43am |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
The recent damage to the Crimea bridge has kind of back-fired. So wheat prices have gone through the roof. Ukraine's ability to export has all but been nullified. Russia threatening shipping around Crimea as potential enemies. Military and political ineptitude,..again Yep, the most stupid war I've ever lived to see. We now have China/Russia tied to each other and both building up their militaries quickly and developing world division. The world has much more chance of nuclear exchange either deliberately or by accident/mistake.
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| Mapletree Croydon 20 Jul 23 11.02am |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
The recent damage to the Crimea bridge has kind of back-fired. So wheat prices have gone through the roof. Ukraine's ability to export has all but been nullified. Russia threatening shipping around Crimea as potential enemies. Military and political ineptitude,..again Ah, so the Russians would not have bombarded the grain silos without that action?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 23 11.03am |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Edited by eaglesdare (20 Jul 2023 9.23am) Thanks for that. I needed a laugh this morning.
For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally. |
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| Mapletree Croydon 20 Jul 23 11.19am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Here is the article from an Irish website....which apparently is Russian propaganda. Again, I'm not certain whether it's true or not and quite frankly what interests me is whether it affects the food prices of our working classes and hard pressed families. It isn't the data, it's the interpretation. And the answer is you got your views from the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The data are of course correct, assuming that you only care about 'low income' countries (not, for example, Bangladesh or Tunisia) and that there isn't a knock-on effect as the world price for grain gets affected. So by the definition of low income (GNI of less than $1,135 per head) very little went to those countries. But it benefited those countries through world prices. So it depends upon how you define 'poor' in your post. Also 'developing'. Your post was intended to make it look like the grain deal was based upon lies. That is simple propaganda. It was based upon an agreement with Russia, the setting up of the JCC and its control by Russia as well as Ukraine and Turkey. And of course world prices will go up due to the collapse of the deal and Russia's destruction of a significant amount of the world's food sources.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Jul 23 11.27am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
It isn't the data, it's the interpretation. And the answer is you got your views from the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The data are of course correct, assuming that you only care about 'low income' countries (not, for example, Bangladesh or Tunisia) and that there isn't a knock-on effect as the world price for grain gets affected. So by the definition of low income (GNI of less than ,135 per head) very little went to those countries. But it benefited those countries through world prices. So it depends upon how you define 'poor' in your post. Also 'developing'. Your post was intended to make it look like the grain deal was based upon lies. That is simple propaganda. It was based upon an agreement with Russia, the setting up of the JCC and its control by Russia as well as Ukraine and Turkey. And of course world prices will go up due to the collapse of the deal and Russia's destruction of a significant amount of the world's food sources.
My assumption on the affect of increasingly food prices is most probably going to be correct. But apparently by saying correct things I push Russian propaganda.....Oh I'm sorry, which propaganda would you like me to push? Better than pushing stupidity like you. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jul 2023 11.28am)
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| eaglesdare 20 Jul 23 11.39am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Good, in that case look up where the 'data' came from to which Stirling alludes. And do that before you comment. Stirling constantly makes assertions that come straight out of the Russian Bot play book, I wonder how those assertions come into his mind. He lives in the very swamps of the internet I am afraid. My comment was in regards to Propaganda. the west is just as bad as the Russians if not worse.
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| eaglesdare 20 Jul 23 11.42am |
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Laughing at people who have thier own opinion, do thier own research and do not submit to group think tells me all I need to know about you.
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| Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 20 Jul 23 11.53am |
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just ignore. don't rise to his baiting or personal insults
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| Mapletree Croydon 20 Jul 23 12.19pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
My assumption on the affect of increasingly food prices is most probably going to be correct. But apparently by saying correct things I push Russian propaganda.....Oh I'm sorry, which propaganda would you like me to push? Better than pushing stupidity like you. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jul 2023 11.28am) Sadly it was not. You said that 2.5% of the grain went to poor or developing countries. That was absolutely incorrect. Had you said 2.5% of the grain was going directly to low income countries, as defined by The World Bank, you would have been correct. In fact 57% of the grain went to 'developing' nations. In any case, you were parroting the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Yet it was the Russians involved in deciding that the grain should be sent primarily to China, its mates. By doing this, you are a part of the machine that Russia uses to spread its misinformation yet apparently you are being an independent thinker. You are being used as a puppet by those that control certain strands on the internet.
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| Stirlingsays 20 Jul 23 12.39pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Sadly it was not. You said that 2.5% of the grain went to poor or developing countries. That was absolutely incorrect. Had you said 2.5% of the grain was going directly to low income countries, as defined by The World Bank, you would have been correct. In fact 57% of the grain went to 'developing' nations. In any case, you were parroting the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Yet it was the Russians involved in deciding that the grain should be sent primarily to China, its mates. By doing this, you are a part of the machine that Russia uses to spread its misinformation yet apparently you are being an independent thinker. You are being used as a puppet by those that control certain strands on the internet. That's a distinction without a difference. What I said was correct. How on earth could Russia get to decide where that grain ended up from non Russian ships? Now they certainly can as the only grain coming out of that sea region will be there's. Apparently Putin says he'll provide the 2.5 percent for free. We shall see. I said early on in this thread that this war was a disaster for poor countries exactly because of situations like this. It's just one of the reasons I gave for promoting a negotiated peace that nearly succeeded over a year ago. That failure was yet another disaster. It's obvious that the fate of poorer countries are only a real concern for virtue signallers when it's convenient for them. I'll repeat, what I'm interested in is the truth. I'm not an expert on the rights and wrongs about the grain deal and I doubt you are either. I regard the whole situation as madness in the first place. We have put ourselves into a vulnerable situation by listening to establishment virtue signallers and cheer leaders to prolong this war. The continuation of a war that only has negative outcomes based upon.....sadly enough propaganda. Just propaganda you agree with. Edited by Stirlingsays (20 Jul 2023 12.42pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 20 Jul 23 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
That's a distinction without a difference. What I said was correct. How on earth could Russia get to decide where that grain ended up from non Russian ships? Now they certainly can as the only grain coming out of that sea region will be there's. Apparently Putin says he'll provide the 2.5 percent for free. We shall see. I said early on in this thread that this war was a disaster for poor countries exactly because of situations like this. It's just one of the reasons I gave for promoting a negotiated peace that nearly succeeded over a year ago. That failure was yet another disaster. It's obvious that the fate of poorer countries are only a real concern for virtue signallers when it's convenient for them. I'll repeat, what I'm interested in is the truth. I'm not an expert on the rights and wrongs about the grain deal and I doubt you are either. I regard the whole situation as madness in the first place. We have put ourselves into a vulnerable situation by listening to establishment virtue signallers and cheer leaders to prolong this war. The continuation of a war that only has negative outcomes based upon.....sadly enough propaganda. Just propaganda you agree with.
You said only 2.5% of grain went to developing countries. The figure was in truth 57%. So if you were correct that must have been in a parallel universe. The 2.5% is in any case a red herring that you are swallowing from the mouth of Putin himself, you pelican chick. Reducing the world supply of grain automatically affects low income countries disproportionately. Do I really need to explain why? This is a cruel and callous move by your big beaked mum. Edited by Mapletree (20 Jul 2023 1.58pm) Edited by Mapletree (20 Jul 2023 1.59pm)
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