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Stirlingsays 24 May 20 8.47pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
Hahaha, the spineless gutless coward. Fence sitter....Tell us what you really think. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2020 8.48pm)
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Teddy Eagle 24 May 20 8.52pm | |
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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 24 May 20 9.32pm | |
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i couldn't give two s***s about cummings tbf...a politician is a politician whatever party they work for. i do however love his utter distain for the press & media...we need more of this. they are scumbags of the highest nature.
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Matov 24 May 20 9.58pm | |
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Ok. An interesting couple of days. In terms of what Cummings did in fleeing up to Durham, I can see why it looks bad. But my understanding is that one of his kids is autistic meaning that if they did need to be looked after then it is far better for that person to be somebody they are used to be around. However, if this was a case focusing on a prominent Remoaner/leftie then I cannot pretend I would be so understanding. I try to be as honest as possible in terms of the hypocrisy that many of us are guilty of when it comes to this kind of political argy-bargy. What interests me is the story run by the Mirror/Guardian. The supposed killing blow. Because if the claims about a second visit to Durham and/or the visit to Barnard Castle are true then Cummings will have to go. No ifs or buts. And to be honest, I expected the smoking gun to be produced but so far, nothing. Because despite the hype last night, very little meat on the bone. A claim about a number plate being typed into Google and that is about it. Nothing else. If a source is not willing to be named then it means less than tittle-tattle. Gossip essentially. I suspect, and it is a hunch, that they might have taken a bait deliberately laid. A classic diversionary tactic. Throw in that tweet from the official Civil Service account as well this evening and you have a classic example of changing the narrative. A pretty standard and effective spin tactic. The definites are the initial drive up to Durham with all that entails. And it being known about. Seen enough lefties claim to have been in on the loop already to write that confidently. But muddying the waters with these other claims? With the Mirror and the Guardian leading the attack? Cummings could still be done for. But number 10 seemed utterly confident about dismissing the seconadary claims.
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cryrst The garden of England 24 May 20 9.58pm | |
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Originally posted by m/k mick
Let me get this right, people are saying that Cummings broke the rules, putting people at risk, so the d//kheads of society, piers morgan and co, say if he can do it, so can we, sounds like the playground to me I hope Morgan is going to try to get the bug himself. I wonder how hes going to feel when these impressionable people actually get sick and maybe die with his name in the frame. An absolute knobstick.
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Stirlingsays 24 May 20 9.59pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Personally I view Cummings as more important than Johnson even though officially he's only an adviser. Johnson doesn't actually really believe in much other than neo liberalism......which he's just spent three months destroying. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2020 9.59pm)
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Matov 24 May 20 10.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Personally I view Cummings as more important than Johnson even though officially he's only an adviser. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 May 2020 9.59pm) Cummings definitely has the strategy brief well covered and has an ability to see around corners. But Johnson has the special sauce. Personally cannot stand Johnson, and think Cummings was a little over-rated in terms of shaping the Brexit win but he is crucial to what Johnson is trying to do and anything that gives our civil service a kick up the arse has to be welcomed.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 May 20 10.16pm | |
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The Daily Mail are digging into Boris and DC. I’m a bit surprised because I thought they’d back Boris if he came out deflecting it. But I think this might be because the mail are pissed off with this 7 month economy crippling lockdown with a bit of tapering off towards the end. I’ve read that only 3 on tory backbenchers Whatsapp group back Boris. Attachment: C0E35012-3652-4597-89A7-97AC723F955D.jpeg (616.63Kb)
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Stirlingsays 24 May 20 10.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Cummings definitely has the strategy brief well covered and has an ability to see around corners. But Johnson has the special sauce. Personally cannot stand Johnson, and think Cummings was a little over-rated in terms of shaping the Brexit win but he is crucial to what Johnson is trying to do and anything that gives our civil service a kick up the arse has to be welcomed. Seconded. Cummings could never be a front man and Johnson is pretty crap at strategy.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 May 20 10.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Ok. An interesting couple of days. In terms of what Cummings did in fleeing up to Durham, I can see why it looks bad. But my understanding is that one of his kids is autistic meaning that if they did need to be looked after then it is far better for that person to be somebody they are used to be around. However, if this was a case focusing on a prominent Remoaner/leftie then I cannot pretend I would be so understanding. I try to be as honest as possible in terms of the hypocrisy that many of us are guilty of when it comes to this kind of political argy-bargy. What interests me is the story run by the Mirror/Guardian. The supposed killing blow. Because if the claims about a second visit to Durham and/or the visit to Barnard Castle are true then Cummings will have to go. No ifs or buts. And to be honest, I expected the smoking gun to be produced but so far, nothing. Because despite the hype last night, very little meat on the bone. A claim about a number plate being typed into Google and that is about it. Nothing else. If a source is not willing to be named then it means less than tittle-tattle. Gossip essentially. I suspect, and it is a hunch, that they might have taken a bait deliberately laid. A classic diversionary tactic. Throw in that tweet from the official Civil Service account as well this evening and you have a classic example of changing the narrative. A pretty standard and effective spin tactic. The definites are the initial drive up to Durham with all that entails. And it being known about. Seen enough lefties claim to have been in on the loop already to write that confidently. But muddying the waters with these other claims? With the Mirror and the Guardian leading the attack? Cummings could still be done for. But number 10 seemed utterly confident about dismissing the seconadary claims. Sounds very plausible. But today I did see two tweets from 2 people dated 10th May I think, spotting DC in Durham. Could be bollox again, and if I wanted to sting DC I’d take a video on my phone. If you can use Twitter you can use a camera phone. Edited by Rudi Hedman (24 May 2020 10.28pm)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 May 20 10.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Seconded. Cummings could never be a front man and Johnson is pretty crap at strategy. They’re like Brian Clough and Peter Taylor.
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Matov 24 May 20 10.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The Daily Mail are digging into Boris and DC. I’m a bit surprised because I thought they’d back Boris if he came out deflecting it. But I think this might be because the mail are pissed off with this 7 month economy crippling lockdown with a bit of tapering off towards the end. I’ve read that only 3 on tory backbenchers Whatsapp group back Boris. My understanding is that 7 Tory MP's have backed sacking Cummings with another 1 retweeting a message. So 8, tops. And of those it is only Steve Baker of any note. As to the Mail, when Dacre stepped down they became far more anti-Tory and specifically far more pro-remain. Newspapers are doubling down on this because this is potentially the tipping point for the Print Media in its entirety. Up until recently if this many editorials called for a sacking it would have happened. Now? No. Balance of power has been changing for a while now and this could well be the Waterloo. If the Mirror and the Guardian can come up with a verifiable smoking gun then Cummings is done for. And I was expecting it today. Instead, nothing. These secondary claims are as weak as a super-market value can of bitter. In and of themselves absolutely froth. With number 10 absolutely definite in terms of their refuting the claims. This time last night I would have put Cummings chances of survival at about 30-70, purely because I could not see why the Mirror and the Guardian would make the claims they did without substantive proof. And they might still have it but if they have, then today would have been the time to put it out there. Right after that Press Conference which Johnson chose to take. He was not scheduled to do so. If Cummings is still in post by the end of next week then we have seen a fundamental changing of the goalposts in British politics. It cannot be underestimated. A potentially fatal blow to the traditional print media.
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