You know best Michael. You have told me that many, many, many times.

Tell me, why are you spoiling for a fight today? Did a property deal go wrong? Or is your middle class guilt getting the better of you?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Kermit, do you feel guilty? I don't? Anyone else here feel guilty?

Bloody hell. One minute you are Lily and the next it's Gloria. Make up your mind.

Winkie smilie.

Big chest and massive boobs

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Both campaigns were a disgrace in the referendum, so singling the Leave campaign is disingenuous. According to Remain, by now we would be living in darkness, with British civilisation collapsed in some apocalyptic mad max vision of Brexit life.

I believe you are living in the past by stating that newspapers are the mainstay of the information system. Young people don't read newspapers, either hard or soft copies. They use sources such as social media and Buzzfeed to access information on 'current events'. Information is provided in more fractured manner than in the past. The internet has enabled anyone to present a viewpoint as fact. Go on Facebook and look at the groups such as 'Brexit means Brexit' or 'Keep Britain in the European Union'. Both are full of bulls*** dressed up as fact.

Saying it is a 'Neo lib' matter is also incorrect and laughable. Both sides of the debate weaponised the economy in their positions. In fact go back to the very first post of this thread and the OP stated their case by weaponising the economy and the fallout from a Leave vote as justification for remaining. In any process like this economic matters are going to be prominent but to call it neo lib is also disingenuous. I don't recall the current government stating that austerity will be a result of Brexit, or that a round of privatisations will follow Brexit. You will no doubt state that new trade deals negotiated will be inherently neo lib but that is assumption as details of deals will not be in the public domain for years.

What you are doing is the age old leftie position of 'the establishment are suppressing us'. However, the establishment were clearly backing Remain at the referendum. This result was driven by a groundswell of hatred of globalisation, EU arrogance and the dismissal of the complaints of a large section of society who are dealing and living with the results of freedom of movement. Addressing this is the problem for a heck of a lot of people. People didn't 'fall for the lies of the Leave campaign', people wanted to stick one to the ruling elite.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Can't believe we are still having these kind of arguments.

But only for the right wing press, obviously.