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Sweden might not have got things entirely wrong.
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
I provided you evidence and you immediately dismissed it. So I revert back common sense. Anyways doesn't matter now the covid zero zeolots lost. Better luck in the next "Plandemic" We don't find conclusive evidence in one selected statistic. We find it in the whole body of available evidence. Then we conclude. You conclude on a bias. That's not common sense. It's bs. We all lost. Nobody wins in a pandemic. Some lost more than others. Some died. Some are still impacted. Some tried to cooperate and protect others in any way they could. Some thought only of themselves.
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We have been round this circle many times and I have little doubt the enquiry will try to examine the arguments in considerable detail. The author himself argues it's unwise to draw too many conclusions from one set of data and that there will be other factors in play. Not least of which is that Sweden isn't the UK. The way we live is different, our compliance is different, our health service and social care is different. It's worth studying and seeing if there really are lessons there for us, but rushing to any conclusions is almost as unwise as basing your whole approach on the % of people who die as a consequence of getting infected.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We have been round this circle many times and I have little doubt the enquiry will try to examine the arguments in considerable detail. The author himself argues it's unwise to draw too many conclusions from one set of data and that there will be other factors in play. Not least of which is that Sweden isn't the UK. The way we live is different, our compliance is different, our health service and social care is different. It's worth studying and seeing if there really are lessons there for us, but rushing to any conclusions is almost as unwise as basing your whole approach on the % of people who die as a consequence of getting infected. Nevertheless don't the figures quoted vindicate the Swedes for the approach they took? Especially since the excess death gap is likely to widen with the continued effect of missed hospital appointments.
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Does anyone agree with the premise of stopping chemotherapy for a patient suffering cancer to make space for potential Covid patients as happened in April 2020?
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We don't find conclusive evidence in one selected statistic. We find it in the whole body of available evidence. Then we conclude. You conclude on a bias. That's not common sense. It's bs. We all lost. Nobody wins in a pandemic. Some lost more than others. Some died. Some are still impacted. Some tried to cooperate and protect others in any way they could. Some thought only of themselves. You are so full of BS and selfishness it is astounding. I played your game and provided you with a study. But oh no it does not fit your narrative so you dismiss it. There is so much evidence and studies on both sides. I at least looked at all the information out there (or lack there of in terms of the vaccine at the time) and made an informed decision about my body and my health. A decision that does not affect anyone.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Nevertheless don't the figures quoted vindicate the Swedes for the approach they took? Especially since the excess death gap is likely to widen with the continued effect of missed hospital appointments. No it doesn't vindicate them. It provides some useful information. Another piece of a huge puzzle for which, as yet, far from all the pieces are available. I am not sure really firm conclusions will be drawn by the enquiry as some outcomes may take many years to be clear. Whilst Sweden's response wasn't the same as ours, it still did many of the things we did. It also got criticised in Sweden for being too relaxed. Most importantly though it is so different to us in so many ways that comparisons are liable to add more confusion than clarity.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No it doesn't vindicate them. It provides some useful information. Another piece of a huge puzzle for which, as yet, far from all the pieces are available. I am not sure really firm conclusions will be drawn by the enquiry as some outcomes may take many years to be clear. Whilst Sweden's response wasn't the same as ours, it still did many of the things we did. It also got criticised in Sweden for being too relaxed. Most importantly though it is so different to us in so many ways that comparisons are liable to add more confusion than clarity. Being more relaxed still gave people the option of isolating if they chose instead of trying to fine them for non-compliance.
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
You are so full of BS and selfishness it is astounding. I played your game and provided you with a study. But oh no it does not fit your narrative so you dismiss it. There is so much evidence and studies on both sides. I at least looked at all the information out there (or lack there of in terms of the vaccine at the time) and made an informed decision about my body and my health. A decision that does not affect anyone. There is an old piece of advice that you would do well to heed. Which is, if you are in a hole it's best to stop digging. What you provided is a summary from the John Hopkins University of Medicine. Which is a completely trustworthy source of unbiased information. Unfortunately you decided to pick just one statistic from it, ignore the rest, and then build a mountain of conclusions upon it. I won't repeat why that approach is bs. Just read my previous posts. There is certainly a great deal of information available now, but it's still growing. It wasn't though to begin with. The vaccines have been proved as safe as was expected they would be, but most importantly far safer than not having them. So you made a misinformed decision, not an informed one. Nothing new there. From all you write here it seems most of your decisions are based on misinformation. That you continue to say that your decision affected no-one else, when I have patiently explained how it did, and does, just goes to prove, beyond a shred of doubt, how blindly selfish you are. Throw that shovel away!
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Originally posted by Bobby216
Does anyone agree with the premise of stopping chemotherapy for a patient suffering cancer to make space for potential Covid patients as happened in April 2020? When and where was this? I was at around 30 hospitals over the period. In the early months the worst being Royal London which had 3/4 of their floors as either sealed covid wards or make shift mortuaries. The corridors were covered with bodies in sealed bags! Most outpatient visits had been cancelled. It should also be remembered that attending a hospital made you 4 times more likely to catch covid and thus for someone under going chemo it would have been a guaranteed death sentence. You cannot compare today with the early pre-vaccine days.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Being more relaxed still gave people the option of isolating if they chose instead of trying to fine them for non-compliance. Theirs is a much wider spread, more rural, population than ours. We were pretty relaxed down here too and never felt isolated. As soon as the strict restrictions were relaxed, and small groups could meet, we started playing bowls again, maintaining hygiene and social distancing. Our pub opened for take away food, and served a pint or two whilst it was prepared. It was different in the big cities. I don't think too many actually got fined did they! More a way to encourage compliance than anything else.
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