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eagleman13 Flag On The Road To Hell & Alicante 30 Jul 23 3.37pm Send a Private Message to eagleman13 Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add eagleman13 as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

England need to find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

The way its going, you may have been very correct.

 


This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 30 Jul 23 3.45pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Lack-lustre England pull yourselves together.

Stokes not bowling, Moeen not fit, Wood clearly has a problem.

I thought Root nearly got through a couple of times, but the seamers have no zip.

Let us pray.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Jul 23 11.57am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Another day, and 2 quick wickets, 149-2.

A bit more energy today.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Jul 23 1.40pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Aussies test to lose now, after Stokes catches Smith but drops the ball.

Ye Gods....

 

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CrazyBadger Flag Ware 31 Jul 23 2.26pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend


for all the fuss and drooling over Bazball; We've played irresponsibly and been taught a lesson in Test cricket by the Aussies.
The only difference I can see in Bazball (so far) is that we've seen no ridiculous 80-all out scores that we've seen in the past. yes it's more exciting, but it's still just as inevitable. All it does is give us an excuse for our weak dismissals.

We've lost (convincingly) despite the pitches being made for us, the Toss going nearly always in our favour and against an injury ravaged and frankly sub-par aussie side.

For all the talk of how negative and unactive captain Pat Cummins has been, he's given England all the rope they need to hang themselves. Some truly appalling management/Captaincy decisions over all 5 tests from the England camp; the first test declaration, the lack or declaration in the 4th, the continuing presence of JA on reputation alone, to name but 3.
I would include bad fielding in that, but think that both teams have been poor in this regard.

I'd also like to mention how shockingly biased and hypocritical the BBC Coverage has been. So England-focused it's unreal with Glenn McGrath standing next to Michael Vaughn daring to put an Oz twist on events, and dismissed like a badly hit cover drive.
it's like it's one rule for us and another for them; it's cheating when they don't walk, but not when we do it. The Starc catch controversy and the Bairstow StumpGate. It's all Aussie dirty Tricks - It's just not Cricket.

Generally England have acted appaulingly over the course of this Ashes(and not just the Squad - remember the green room incident), and somehow I'm falling on the Aussie side. They've just got on with it. They've not played great, but they're going home with the Urn again with minimal fuss.


 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 31 Jul 23 3.27pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger


for all the fuss and drooling over Bazball; We've played irresponsibly and been taught a lesson in Test cricket by the Aussies.
The only difference I can see in Bazball (so far) is that we've seen no ridiculous 80-all out scores that we've seen in the past. yes it's more exciting, but it's still just as inevitable. All it does is give us an excuse for our weak dismissals.

We've lost (convincingly) despite the pitches being made for us, the Toss going nearly always in our favour and against an injury ravaged and frankly sub-par aussie side.

For all the talk of how negative and unactive captain Pat Cummins has been, he's given England all the rope they need to hang themselves. Some truly appalling management/Captaincy decisions over all 5 tests from the England camp; the first test declaration, the lack or declaration in the 4th, the continuing presence of JA on reputation alone, to name but 3.
I would include bad fielding in that, but think that both teams have been poor in this regard.

I'd also like to mention how shockingly biased and hypocritical the BBC Coverage has been. So England-focused it's unreal with Glenn McGrath standing next to Michael Vaughn daring to put an Oz twist on events, and dismissed like a badly hit cover drive.
it's like it's one rule for us and another for them; it's cheating when they don't walk, but not when we do it. The Starc catch controversy and the Bairstow StumpGate. It's all Aussie dirty Tricks - It's just not Cricket.

Generally England have acted appaulingly over the course of this Ashes(and not just the Squad - remember the green room incident), and somehow I'm falling on the Aussie side. They've just got on with it. They've not played great, but they're going home with the Urn again with minimal fuss.



good points, especially re the home bias, but a bit unfair - the Bazball experiment had its biggest test so far and we see now where it went wrong - get the fielders on to the boundary, then play 1s and 2s not 6s or you'll get caught - we learnt that the hard way and it cost us a test match. Sub par Aussies? Number 1 test side and world champions - just bcos they aren't any better than us does not make them poor, you can elevate us in stead of demoting them - Stokes, JA, Broady, Wood, Woakes and even Bairstow have been legends - best four-man seam attack we've ever had, so cheer up.

 

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ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 31 Jul 23 3.38pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

... and Brendan McCullum is a f*cking genius.

 

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CrazyBadger Flag Ware 31 Jul 23 3.47pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist


good points, especially re the home bias, but a bit unfair - the Bazball experiment had its biggest test so far and we see now where it went wrong - get the fielders on to the boundary, then play 1s and 2s not 6s or you'll get caught - we learnt that the hard way and it cost us a test match. Sub par Aussies? Number 1 test side and world champions - just bcos they aren't any better than us does not make them poor, you can elevate us in stead of demoting them - Stokes, JA, Broady, Wood, Woakes and even Bairstow have been legends - best four-man seam attack we've ever had, so cheer up.

I get that the rankings have them top, but on par with previous aussie sides, I'm of the view that this one falls short of their usually high standards.

Broad has been astonishing this series. Truely standout. Wood and Woakes - not even picked for the first test - been great too.
It's our batting. It has a 'riding our luck' feel to it. nearly all of our players big scores have included a dropped catch or fortunate review, and directly related to us being too aggressive. I'm all for raising the run rate, but respect the bowlers a little.
Just too many mistakes across the board. All so inevitable and avoidable.

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Jul 23 3.48pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger


for all the fuss and drooling over Bazball; We've played irresponsibly and been taught a lesson in Test cricket by the Aussies.
The only difference I can see in Bazball (so far) is that we've seen no ridiculous 80-all out scores that we've seen in the past. yes it's more exciting, but it's still just as inevitable. All it does is give us an excuse for our weak dismissals.

We've lost (convincingly) despite the pitches being made for us, the Toss going nearly always in our favour and against an injury ravaged and frankly sub-par aussie side.

For all the talk of how negative and unactive captain Pat Cummins has been, he's given England all the rope they need to hang themselves. Some truly appalling management/Captaincy decisions over all 5 tests from the England camp; the first test declaration, the lack or declaration in the 4th, the continuing presence of JA on reputation alone, to name but 3.
I would include bad fielding in that, but think that both teams have been poor in this regard.

I'd also like to mention how shockingly biased and hypocritical the BBC Coverage has been. So England-focused it's unreal with Glenn McGrath standing next to Michael Vaughn daring to put an Oz twist on events, and dismissed like a badly hit cover drive.
it's like it's one rule for us and another for them; it's cheating when they don't walk, but not when we do it. The Starc catch controversy and the Bairstow StumpGate. It's all Aussie dirty Tricks - It's just not Cricket.

Generally England have acted appaulingly over the course of this Ashes(and not just the Squad - remember the green room incident), and somehow I'm falling on the Aussie side. They've just got on with it. They've not played great, but they're going home with the Urn again with minimal fuss.


I'm not really sure what you're expecting. England have been pretty good in general in the series. As you say, no batting calamities as such. Probably Australia dropped as many catches as England - it happens. I expected better fielding from both sides.
Aussies played standard enough test cricket but if England had done so, I don't think it would have helped anybody - including England and the game overall. I think you've probably forgotten Root as Captain and pluckily managing to lose every match with the odd moment of excitement. Plus many, many poor sides and captains before. England have improved and moved the game on. I doubt many sides would have beaten them - it would be the Aussies wouldn't it. But England have been competing every game and can hold their heads high. I expect their biggest critics to be themselves, frankly.
My worry now turns to future England attack. We need maybe two new seamers and a spinner. Tonge seemed good enough but one wonders whether Archer will ever come back. As for spinner, I don't know.
Think about what you're saying - would you prefer England to revert to what they were under Root, or do you prefer this England? I know what I prefer and expect most would agree with me - but, of course, I can't speak for everyone.
I am entertained personally by Test Cricket anyway but England's new style is more entertaining and usually getting positive results. When it all goes tits up then we can all complain.
This is just a series loss but hardly a thrashing and England can be happy enough. They need to improve in some areas and most likely will.
Aussies will also have problems now. A couple of batsmen at the very end of their careers and they need a rebuild. We'll see what happens I guess.

 


Red and Blue Army!

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Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 31 Jul 23 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Originally posted by CrazyBadger


for all the fuss and drooling over Bazball; We've played irresponsibly and been taught a lesson in Test cricket by the Aussies.
The only difference I can see in Bazball (so far) is that we've seen no ridiculous 80-all out scores that we've seen in the past. yes it's more exciting, but it's still just as inevitable. All it does is give us an excuse for our weak dismissals.

We've lost (convincingly) despite the pitches being made for us, the Toss going nearly always in our favour and against an injury ravaged and frankly sub-par aussie side.

For all the talk of how negative and unactive captain Pat Cummins has been, he's given England all the rope they need to hang themselves. Some truly appalling management/Captaincy decisions over all 5 tests from the England camp; the first test declaration, the lack or declaration in the 4th, the continuing presence of JA on reputation alone, to name but 3.
I would include bad fielding in that, but think that both teams have been poor in this regard.

I'd also like to mention how shockingly biased and hypocritical the BBC Coverage has been. So England-focused it's unreal with Glenn McGrath standing next to Michael Vaughn daring to put an Oz twist on events, and dismissed like a badly hit cover drive.
it's like it's one rule for us and another for them; it's cheating when they don't walk, but not when we do it. The Starc catch controversy and the Bairstow StumpGate. It's all Aussie dirty Tricks - It's just not Cricket.

Generally England have acted appaulingly over the course of this Ashes(and not just the Squad - remember the green room incident), and somehow I'm falling on the Aussie side. They've just got on with it. They've not played great, but they're going home with the Urn again with minimal fuss.


A bit strong. We do seem to be wetting our pants about how exciting Bazball is, but ultimately 'boring' Australia have won, and that's what counts. I'm sure the Aussie fans weren't bored.

We haven't lost 'convincingly' as we narrowly lost the first two. My view is that we've been marginally the better side throughout but have made some terrible captaincy decisions and failed at the crunch moments- I agree with your list and would add the short ball batting in the first innings at Lords and the failure to select Foakes. All we can hope is that Stokes has learned and that we are more ruthless when ahead in future.

The Bairstow stumping was a shameful dismissal and deserved all the negativity it received, but it isn't was why we lost that match or series.

Haven't been overly impressed with Stokes' interviews and seeming unwillingness to accept he made some poor calls. Bairstow's comments on pundits being 'out of order' to question his keeping were ridiculous given he's taking the spot of arguable the worlds best keeper.

As you say, the Aussies haven't been at their best. Both Smith and Labuschagne have been off and they lost Lyon early on. It feels like we've thrown this one away and it stinks.

We're close to be being very good but I worry about our bowlers now Broad has gone and Jimmy is over the hill. Wood and Robinson are good but both injury prone.


 

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CrazyBadger Flag Ware 31 Jul 23 4.21pm Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Goal Machine

A bit strong. We do seem to be wetting our pants about how exciting Bazball is, but ultimately 'boring' Australia have won, and that's what counts. I'm sure the Aussie fans weren't bored.

We haven't lost 'convincingly' as we narrowly lost the first two. My view is that we've been marginally the better side throughout but have made some terrible captaincy decisions and failed at the crunch moments- I agree with your list and would add the short ball batting in the first innings at Lords and the failure to select Foakes. All we can hope is that Stokes has learned and that we are more ruthless when ahead in future.

The Bairstow stumping was a shameful dismissal and deserved all the negativity it received, but it isn't was why we lost that match or series.

Haven't been overly impressed with Stokes' interviews and seeming unwillingness to accept he made some poor calls. Bairstow's comments on pundits being 'out of order' to question his keeping were ridiculous given he's taking the spot of arguable the worlds best keeper.

As you say, the Aussies haven't been at their best. Both Smith and Labuschagne have been off and they lost Lyon early on. It feels like we've thrown this one away and it stinks.

We're close to be being very good but I worry about our bowlers now Broad has gone and Jimmy is over the hill. Wood and Robinson are good but both injury prone.


yes, maybe a little strong, but just it's testament to how we seemed to lose it all from many winning positions.

I do hope the learn from this, as this could be a Great period from England, if they apply their brains and a modicum of humility.

You are right in your appraisal of the bowling attack. with Broad out, JA looking on the decline, no spinner on the horizon and no seamers either, we're looking rather thin.

 


"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 31 Jul 23 5.07pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Smith, Marsh, Head - bang bang bang 3 down.

Aussies 109 to get, 4 wickets left.

 

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