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Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Jun 19 11.16pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger OK so according to a number of fans, football is now about making a big profit on players and not about actually winning matches. I am now tired of saying that all the money in the world is useless if you can't attract players who are better than your first eleven. We are making losses and not profit. The finances are hamstringing us and will continue to do so. A shame it’ll have to happen at some point but I’m not 11 years old so know the realities of football. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 13 Jun 19 11.16pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

OK so according to a number of fans, football is now about making a big profit on players and not about actually winning matches.

I am now tired of saying that all the money in the world is useless if you can't attract players who are better than your first eleven.

We are making losses and not profit. The finances are hamstringing us and will continue to do so. A shame it’ll have to happen at some point but I’m not 11 years old so know the realities of football.

COYP

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ChrisGC Wantage 13 Jun 19 11.28pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger OK so according to a number of fans, football is now about making a big profit on players and not about actually winning matches. I am now tired of saying that all the money in the world is useless if you can't attract players who are better than your first eleven. Agree. For.all those who think it's about the money, weight it like this: 100m for Zaha and AWB, relegation comes costing 150m It's a no brainer. He's 20 years old on a long term contract.
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Wantage 13 Jun 19 11.28pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

OK so according to a number of fans, football is now about making a big profit on players and not about actually winning matches.

I am now tired of saying that all the money in the world is useless if you can't attract players who are better than your first eleven.

Agree.

For.all those who think it's about the money, weight it like this: 100m for Zaha and AWB, relegation comes costing 150m

It's a no brainer. He's 20 years old on a long term contract.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Jun 19 11.53pm
Originally posted by ChrisGC Agree. For.all those who think it's about the money, weight it like this: 100m for Zaha and AWB, relegation comes costing 150m It's a no brainer. He's 20 years old on a long term contract. And if he wants to go? I think the reality is we’re going to have to sell someone soon or we’re going to be in the situation of playing players out of position again or find ourselves with nobody up front again. Unless you, or you know someone with hundreds of millions I don’t know what your solution is. Please give us solutions with the mega losses and no money for transfers. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 13 Jun 19 11.53pm

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Agree.

For.all those who think it's about the money, weight it like this: 100m for Zaha and AWB, relegation comes costing 150m

It's a no brainer. He's 20 years old on a long term contract.

And if he wants to go?

I think the reality is we’re going to have to sell someone soon or we’re going to be in the situation of playing players out of position again or find ourselves with nobody up front again.

Unless you, or you know someone with hundreds of millions I don’t know what your solution is.

Please give us solutions with the mega losses and no money for transfers.

COYP

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dreamwaverider London 14 Jun 19 5.00am
Pro football nowadays is all about money. If we want to hang onto homegrown talent, build new stadiums, we need a big strong investor. We all thought we had that when the 2 wideboys from the states turned up, but clearly not. Or they couldn’t work with our current leaders. Parish needs to clarify his position. He has done a brilliant job so far but to continue to build we need funds beyond Parish’s means. It’s out there. Just needs the will to go and find it,
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Pro football nowadays is all about money. If we want to hang onto homegrown talent, build new stadiums, we need a big strong investor. We all thought we had that when the 2 wideboys from the states turned up, but clearly not. Or they couldn’t work with our current leaders.
Parish needs to clarify his position. He has done a brilliant job so far but to continue to build we need funds beyond Parish’s means.
It’s out there. Just needs the will to go and find it,

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coulsdoneagle London 14 Jun 19 5.57am
Of course I want AWB to stay, but over 50 million and we could potentially buy 3/4 first team players. That sort of big investment has been what’s stopped us from kicking on. What could we do with £50 million? Replace AWB. For example one of the young right backs either Aarons or the Wigan lad who they had on loan for £10-15 million. Seri on loan. £20-25 million on a top goal scorer and a young winger like Jack Clarke from Leeds for £4-8 million. That sort of window would be huge for us. Realistically AWB as good as he is, is not in a position where he is irreplaceable. Zaha in my opinion is. His goal contributions and ability to drag the ball out of our own half are invaluable and for me the only player we can’t afford to lose is him. Edited by coulsdoneagle (14 Jun 2019 5.58am)
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London 14 Jun 19 5.57am

Of course I want AWB to stay, but over 50 million and we could potentially buy 3/4 first team players. That sort of big investment has been what’s stopped us from kicking on.

What could we do with £50 million?

Replace AWB. For example one of the young right backs either Aarons or the Wigan lad who they had on loan for £10-15 million. Seri on loan. £20-25 million on a top goal scorer and a young winger like Jack Clarke from Leeds for £4-8 million.

That sort of window would be huge for us.

Realistically AWB as good as he is, is not in a position where he is irreplaceable. Zaha in my opinion is. His goal contributions and ability to drag the ball out of our own half are invaluable and for me the only player we can’t afford to lose is him.

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michaelpearce grays 14 Jun 19 6.45am
after reading some of the posts on here saying lose AWB our defence will be next to usless, since promotion we have conceded 48,51,51,63 and 55 goals,first 3 seasons Joel was our right back until injury,then we let in more goals, Defending is you play as a unit not as a individual,I know this because i played in defence,losing AWB would be sad but man u also looking at the norwich player if they cant get Aaron, so they have already targeted another player,So going by whats been said is Aaron the only good right back out there man u dont think so why havent the other big clubs come storming in bidding on him,the board have put a big price on him to keep him Leicester are doing the same So right backs can be replaced just needs to fit in with the rest of defence, Winning trophys keeps players lots of fans on here was willing us to get knocked out of the cups,just to stay up,short sighted very very short sighted
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grays 14 Jun 19 6.45am

after reading some of the posts on here saying lose AWB our defence will be next to usless,

since promotion we have conceded 48,51,51,63 and 55 goals,first 3 seasons Joel was our right back until injury,then we let in more goals,

Defending is you play as a unit not as a individual,I know this because i played in defence,losing AWB would be sad but man u also looking at the norwich player if they cant get Aaron,
so they have already targeted another player,So going by whats been said is Aaron the only good right back out there man u dont think so why havent the other big clubs come storming in bidding on him,the board have put a big price on him to keep him Leicester are doing the same

So right backs can be replaced just needs to fit in with the rest of defence,

Winning trophys keeps players lots of fans on here was willing us to get knocked out of the cups,just to stay up,short sighted very very short sighted

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dreamwaverider London 14 Jun 19 6.45am
Originally posted by coulsdoneagle Of course I want AWB to stay, but over 50 million and we could potentially buy 3/4 first team players. That sort of big investment has been what’s stopped us from kicking on. What could we do with £50 million? Replace AWB. For example one of the young right backs either Aarons or the Wigan lad who they had on loan for £10-15 million. Seri on loan. £20-25 million on a top goal scorer and a young winger like Jack Clarke from Leeds for £4-8 million. That sort of window would be huge for us. Realistically AWB as good as he is, is not in a position where he is irreplaceable. Zaha in my opinion is. His goal contributions and ability to drag the ball out of our own half are invaluable and for me the only player we can’t afford to lose is him. Edited by coulsdoneagle (14 Jun 2019 5.58am) So to deliver all your dreams AND keep Wan all we need is a proper investor with deep pockets. We’ve got the infrastructure the management the fans and a great team to build on. The big question is will Parish release his dominant position to attract investors. If he does with our fan base we could and should be playing in Europe.
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dreamwaverider

London 14 Jun 19 6.45am

Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

Of course I want AWB to stay, but over 50 million and we could potentially buy 3/4 first team players. That sort of big investment has been what’s stopped us from kicking on.

What could we do with £50 million?

That sort of window would be huge for us.

Edited by coulsdoneagle (14 Jun 2019 5.58am)

So to deliver all your dreams AND keep Wan all we need is a proper investor with deep pockets. We’ve got the infrastructure the management the fans and a great team to build on. The big question is will Parish release his dominant position to attract investors. If he does with our fan base we could and should be playing in Europe.

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JohnB 14 Jun 19 6.55am
Completely hypothetical and I'm not claiming to have a clue what prices other teams would want for their players, these are just going off rumoured asking prices. I would be more than happy if Palace sold AWB for £55m. Bought James Tavernier £5m, Mooy £15m, Sturridge £2m signing on fee and Batshuayi on loan for £4m fee. Something like that would give us a more well rounded team with some creativity and goals plus £29m profit.
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14 Jun 19 6.55am

Completely hypothetical and I'm not claiming to have a clue what prices other teams would want for their players, these are just going off rumoured asking prices.

I would be more than happy if Palace sold AWB for £55m.
Bought James Tavernier £5m, Mooy £15m, Sturridge £2m signing on fee and Batshuayi on loan for £4m fee.

Something like that would give us a more well rounded team with some creativity and goals plus £29m profit.

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ChrisGC Wantage 14 Jun 19 7.32am
Originally posted by JohnB Completely hypothetical and I'm not claiming to have a clue what prices other teams would want for their players, these are just going off rumoured asking prices. I would be more than happy if Palace sold AWB for £55m. Bought James Tavernier £5m, Mooy £15m, Sturridge £2m signing on fee and Batshuayi on loan for £4m fee. Something like that would give us a more well rounded team with some creativity and goals plus £29m profit. Pay Sturridge 2m + wages to use our medical facilities? 4m NOT to sign a striker? Downgrade on AWB and increase the wage bill so that the directors can share 29m between them? Glad you're not in charge of transfers. Edited by ChrisGC (14 Jun 2019 7.44am)
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Wantage 14 Jun 19 7.32am

Originally posted by JohnB

Completely hypothetical and I'm not claiming to have a clue what prices other teams would want for their players, these are just going off rumoured asking prices.

I would be more than happy if Palace sold AWB for £55m.
Bought James Tavernier £5m, Mooy £15m, Sturridge £2m signing on fee and Batshuayi on loan for £4m fee.

Something like that would give us a more well rounded team with some creativity and goals plus £29m profit.

Pay Sturridge 2m + wages to use our medical facilities?

4m NOT to sign a striker?

Downgrade on AWB and increase the wage bill so that the directors can share 29m between them?

Glad you're not in charge of transfers.

Edited by ChrisGC (14 Jun 2019 7.44am)

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ChrisGC Wantage 14 Jun 19 7.41am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman And if he wants to go? I think the reality is we’re going to have to sell someone soon or we’re going to be in the situation of playing players out of position again or find ourselves with nobody up front again. Unless you, or you know someone with hundreds of millions I don’t know what your solution is. Please give us solutions with the mega losses and no money for transfers. The answer is to invest in the youth setup and scouting system employing the Cortese model from Southampton. We have the most populated catchment area in Europe, yet AWB is the first player in 7 + years to make it and our youth team doesn't even compete in the top tier. Where Southampton went wrong with the model was when Cortese left they sold all their scouted/youth players. Mane, VVD, Llana, Oxlade Chamberpot, Wanayma, Lovren, all just competed in squads for the biggest trophies. People are saying "we can buy 4 new players with that money". No we can't! Bentekkers and Sakho cost 30m ffs and that was before the market went crazy. Then there's the wages. 4 new players = £400k a week. Unaffordable, unsustainable.
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ChrisGC

Wantage 14 Jun 19 7.41am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

And if he wants to go?

I think the reality is we’re going to have to sell someone soon or we’re going to be in the situation of playing players out of position again or find ourselves with nobody up front again.

Unless you, or you know someone with hundreds of millions I don’t know what your solution is.

Please give us solutions with the mega losses and no money for transfers.

The answer is to invest in the youth setup and scouting system employing the Cortese model from Southampton. We have the most populated catchment area in Europe, yet AWB is the first player in 7 + years to make it and our youth team doesn't even compete in the top tier.

Where Southampton went wrong with the model was when Cortese left they sold all their scouted/youth players.

Mane, VVD, Llana, Oxlade Chamberpot, Wanayma, Lovren, all just competed in squads for the biggest trophies.

People are saying "we can buy 4 new players with that money". No we can't! Bentekkers and Sakho cost 30m ffs and that was before the market went crazy. Then there's the wages. 4 new players = £400k a week. Unaffordable, unsustainable.

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JohnB 14 Jun 19 7.46am
Originally posted by ChrisGC Pay Sturridge 2m + wages to use our medical facilities? 4m NOT to sign a striker? Glad you're not in charge of transfers. We don't have the money to chuck £35m at a striker, mainly due to the fact that despite what everyone thought would be a successful purchase in Benteke. We have to be realistic and accept that we aren't backed by owners willing to throw money at us and have to live within our means. Yes loaning a player is like renting, but we don't really have a choice. I also think Sturridge is not quite as injury prone as people are making out, you don't play 300 games as a pro by being constantly on the treatment table. He's been pretty much injury free this season but out of the side because they have Salah, Firmino, Mane and he hasn't been able to work his way back to full form and fitness. To dismiss someone of his ability for a club like ours is churlish. Personally, I wouldn't have renewed Wickhams contract as that would have made a decent amount of wages for someone like Sturridge that I'd sooner take the risk on than him.
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14 Jun 19 7.46am

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Pay Sturridge 2m + wages to use our medical facilities?

4m NOT to sign a striker?

Glad you're not in charge of transfers.

We don't have the money to chuck £35m at a striker, mainly due to the fact that despite what everyone thought would be a successful purchase in Benteke. We have to be realistic and accept that we aren't backed by owners willing to throw money at us and have to live within our means.

Yes loaning a player is like renting, but we don't really have a choice.

I also think Sturridge is not quite as injury prone as people are making out, you don't play 300 games as a pro by being constantly on the treatment table.

He's been pretty much injury free this season but out of the side because they have Salah, Firmino, Mane and he hasn't been able to work his way back to full form and fitness. To dismiss someone of his ability for a club like ours is churlish.

Personally, I wouldn't have renewed Wickhams contract as that would have made a decent amount of wages for someone like Sturridge that I'd sooner take the risk on than him.

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ChrisGC Wantage 14 Jun 19 7.56am
Originally posted by JohnB We don't have the money to chuck £35m at a striker, mainly due to the fact that despite what everyone thought would be a successful purchase in Benteke. We have to be realistic and accept that we aren't backed by owners willing to throw money at us and have to live within our means. Yes loaning a player is like renting, but we don't really have a choice. I also think Sturridge is not quite as injury prone as people are making out, you don't play 300 games as a pro by being constantly on the treatment table. He's been pretty much injury free this season but out of the side because they have Salah, Firmino, Mane and he hasn't been able to work his way back to full form and fitness. To dismiss someone of his ability for a club like ours is churlish. Personally, I wouldn't have renewed Wickhams contract as that would have made a decent amount of wages for someone like Sturridge that I'd sooner take the risk on than him. Eh? You do know who Daniel Sturridge is? There's 40 games available in a season at a minimum across domestic competitions so there's at least 600 games he could have played in his 15 seasons as a pro. Let's face it, given his time at Chelsea and Pool in Europe that's got to be around 650. And you're saying he's not injury prone having played not even half of that? He's about to turn 30 and never managed more than 30 league games, averaging about 14. And you think it's sensible to give him 2m and a fat cat salary? Promote any youth player over that idea, it's not going to turn out worse.
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Wantage 14 Jun 19 7.56am

Originally posted by JohnB

Yes loaning a player is like renting, but we don't really have a choice.

I also think Sturridge is not quite as injury prone as people are making out, you don't play 300 games as a pro by being constantly on the treatment table.

Personally, I wouldn't have renewed Wickhams contract as that would have made a decent amount of wages for someone like Sturridge that I'd sooner take the risk on than him.

Eh?

You do know who Daniel Sturridge is?
There's 40 games available in a season at a minimum across domestic competitions so there's at least 600 games he could have played in his 15 seasons as a pro. Let's face it, given his time at Chelsea and Pool in Europe that's got to be around 650. And you're saying he's not injury prone having played not even half of that?

He's about to turn 30 and never managed more than 30 league games, averaging about 14.

And you think it's sensible to give him 2m and a fat cat salary?
Promote any youth player over that idea, it's not going to turn out worse.

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