It's quite incredible really.

If you took Wisbech as the person to rely upon for news about what this report actually says you'd get the wrong impression....Mmmm....shades of marketing perhaps...not exactly focused in on the objective.

Let's take some actual quotes from the report:

A very important conclusion from this report....and a very damning one for Wisbech, when you read what he said all through the 'Bias against Trump' thread was that 'the FBI had not possessed "actual evidence" of collusion between Donald Trump's campaign and Russia before launching an inquiry'.

For years Wisbech told us on this forum that Trump was guilty of this and here we have it.....this was a politically motivated set up.

One of us said near the start of that thread that Trump wasn't going to go to jail for this and one of us was right and the other...not so much. In fact it looks like his 'jam tomorrow' is rapidly nearing its expiry date.

To quote this report some more.

The FBI's inquiry had lacked 'analytical rigor'.

The FBI had the FBI had pursued an inquiry and wasted money on 'raw, unanalysed and uncorroborated intelligence'

The FBI were guilty of 'confirmation bias' (shocker) and that it ignored information that didn't support those biases.....Blimey it almost sounds like Wisbech could have had a career there.

Significant differences were noted between how the FBI had treated Clinton during her email inquiry and how it treated Trump. Clinton had received briefings from the FBI whereas Trump did not.

A rather damning conclusion is drawn with, 'the Department [of Justice] and the FBI failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law'.....Wow.

When you read the FBI's response....you can sum it up with 'trust me bro'...Well, personally I don't think they have earned that trust and shown that they are politically attuned to what their objective mission is....they come out here as root and branch political.

No one gets held accountable for these failures, so what incentive is there for any improvement or change? It's just words. Until a new broom comes in and starts taking names nothing changes.

Regardless, as I said years ago, the US is only heading one way and that is an inevitable national division....I just pray it's peaceful....not that anyone seems to believe in compromises in the US.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 May 2023 4.17am)

Don't you worry. I'll tell anyone who comes out with the kind of nonsense you do the same thing. They just don't happen to inhabit this space. I wonder why? Perhaps because you do?

I don't for a moment deny we are going through an intense period of change, in many different ways. You seem totally obsessed with just one, which will sort itself out given time and effort. Effort that people like you are unwilling to make. You prefer to bang your head on the wall in a football forum instead of actually doing something positive. There are community groups designed to bridge gaps and increase understanding of diametrically opposite views. Go and join one, treat others with respect and listen as well as speak. You might just soften a little. Immigration is a fact of life today and that's not going to change anytime soon, despite the politicking of people like Braverman. My goodness doesn't she spout some garbage?

The deluded world is entirely yours.

We would not be able to "preserve our society" if we closed our borders in the way you wish. Even if that were practical. Many industries would be starved of labour, costs would rise, services would decline, inflation increase and the standard of living fall. For what? Just so you would see less people who don't look or think like you? People who in the fullness of time become more and more like you anyway.

The world has indeed changed. Maybe I have seen rather more of it than you! It won't be changing back either, so pulling up the drawbridge is not a practical option. We can make adjustments, we can train our own workforce better, and we can reduce the pool of long-term sick and the workshy. All of which takes a lot of time and money and only mitigates things a little.

Immigration is necessary and it will continue. Get used to it.

Indeed. Legal immigration.

Pro USA & Israel

Don't be bloody stupid.

We have an ever increasing influx yearly, and we don't need the vast majority of them.
They are now talking about one million in a year.

For once in your blinkered life, just think about that for a moment.

We are heading for a massive crisis on many fronts.

Don't be bloody stupid.

We have an ever increasing influx yearly, and we don't need the vast majority of them.
They are now talking about one million in a year.

For once in your blinkered life, just think about that for a moment.

We are heading for a massive crisis on many fronts.

Don't be so bloody rude!

I think about this a lot, and reach a diametrically different conclusion to you. The one million forecast is expected to be a blip but immigration is nonetheless expected to be necessary for the foreseeable future. Our economy would not survive intact if we shut the door. You think about that for a moment!

Managing it better, getting control of the illegals and making better use of our underutilised local resources can all help. They won't though eliminate the need, they might reduce it somewhat.

We are already in a crisis. We don't need to make it worse by starving businesses and our health service of the skills they need to serve us.

Stop worrying so much. Our country is changing faster than at any time in our history, but that's true of many places. There's nothing to fear about it or, more importantly, nothing you can do other than do what you can to adjust and make your own relationships better. This is the world our children and grandchildren will live in. To them it will seem perfectly normal so kindly do your best not to pollute their minds too much with your xenophobia.