It wasnt me either, but leftys do have selective memories!

I believe it’s the best worst one for now - also what I think will happen vs what I believe are not the same thing.

I think they’re allowed to make absolutely sure it doesn’t happen again. Why leave anything to chance, and why put police with limited training for what could happen in harms way?

Also it’s rather obviously a big f*** off deterrent. I’m sure some blubbery bobbies would be far more enticing to an armed mob than the national guard. Will make them think twice

Edited by SW19 CPFC (17 Jan 2021 9.01pm)

‘I Answered the Call of My President’: Rioters Say Trump Urged Them On - [Link]

"In the two weeks since a raging mob stormed the Capitol, President Trump has shown no sign that he believes he shares responsibility for the worst incursion on the halls of Congress in more than two centuries. Shielding him further, his loyalists have started shifting blame for the attack to an array of distracting bogeymen: far-left anti-fascists, Black Lives Matter activists, even vague conspiracies of a setup involving Vice President Mike Pence.

“Does our president bear responsibility?” the lawyer, Al Watkins, told The New York Times. “Hell, yes, he does."

Love on the rocks, ain't no surprise! Most couples split up face to face or over the phone. Perhaps a coldhearted text. Trump leaves you in a jail cell..

A couple have asked for a pardon. I can't see that as things are nuts enough as it is, but how about Assange, or Snowden? For all their faults it could be argued that 'at one time' they put the people first rather than themselves or their governments misdeeds. Has he got the balls?

The arrests of whom and when? Are you in the know?

My approach being described as "bile" I regard as a compliment when it comes from someone whose own contributions are never-ending right-wing bs.

The endless desire to try to shift the blame for just about anything that has ever happened, which doesn't match your world view, onto the Democrats is as tacky as it is ridiculous. Those who regard the Democrats as "polarising" need to take a long hard look in the mirror before pointing their fingers elsewhere. They may well be very different to you but that's because you are already polarised. People on the extremes generally are. The far-left are also polarised and the Democrats are a long, long way from being far-left. They remind me much more of the social-democratic main-stream in Europe than anything else. Indeed their political philosophy is much closer to all our own major parties than anything that Trump ever represented.

Trump didn't call for violence? That will be tested during his impeachment. He was often careless with his words, both written and spoken, but as his Twitter is now unavailable I cannot quote them to you. However, it isn't always what you say which matters when you are the POTUS. What you don't say is almost as important. Trump never, ever acted as the POTUS. He was constantly in campaign mode, looking for support from his base so he could continue in office. He never put the country first. If it coincided with what benefitted him then he would make big claims but at the forefront of his thoughts was always how this would impact him.

So allowing his indoctrinated base to believe that the election was "stolen" when there was no actual evidence that was true, and then not to call for calm at the appropriate moment was beyond irresponsible. To not squash the Qanon conspiracy but pretend he knew nothing about it, was a cruel act of harm.

The grassroots of Republicanism do NOT lie with Trump and his support base. The Republicans have been hijacked by them but will now, I believe, distance themselves as rapidly as possible. The never-Trumpers will rise up and regain their party's heart. There is much more that binds the mainstream of both the Republican and Democratic parties than divides them. They differ on policy but are decent people, who believe in democracy and the rule of law. Whilst there are certainly now some who are made in Trump's image they seem to be losing funding and respectability pretty quickly. Those who continue to offer him support risk becoming pariahs. I think the new Congress may well surprise us by working better together to get things done than many expect.

You seem surprised that some states resisted Trump. Why on earth wouldn't they? He was the worst POTUS ever by a country mile. Any respectable politician had a duty to resist him.

The Democrats have a massive task ahead. Not only do they inherit a surging pandemic which has been very poorly handled by the previous administration, but they also have a population split as never before. One in which the kind of distrust and attitudes you display have been deliberately sown by the previous POTUS.

One term will never be enough. The recovery and rebuilding will take a generation. Whether Biden can stabilise things has yet to be seen but he certainly cannot make things worse himself. My hope is that he will reach out across the aisle in Congress and ask for co-operation to try to overcome the problems together. Repairing the divisions in the country will take much longer, but Congress is where it can start. We will see, but I hope that the cynicism you show isn't replicated there or things will be much harder than they need to be.

The right is no more being censored than the left. Those who call for violence in pursuit of their political aims and/or spread harmful misinformation are. "Silicon Valley" have at last woken up to the dangers of not effectively moderating content and started to act in the public interest. If that upsets a few who prefer to allow people to promote violence without restraint, then so be it.

There is no freedom without responsibility.

You do indeed reap what you sow. As Trump and his supporters are finding out the hard way.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (18 Jan 2021 12.10am)

My approach being described as "bile" I regard as a compliment when it comes from someone whose own contributions are never-ending right-wing bs.

The endless desire to try to shift the blame for just about anything that has ever happened, which doesn't match your world view, onto the Democrats is as tacky as it is ridiculous. Those who regard the Democrats as "polarising" need to take a long hard look in the mirror before pointing their fingers elsewhere. They may well be very different to you but that's because you are already polarised. People on the extremes generally are. The far-left are also polarised and the Democrats are a long, long way from being far-left. They remind me much more of the social-democratic main-stream in Europe than anything else. Indeed their political philosophy is much closer to all our own major parties than anything that Trump ever represented.

Trump didn't call for violence? That will be tested during his impeachment. He was often careless with his words, both written and spoken, but as his Twitter is now unavailable I cannot quote them to you. However, it isn't always what you say which matters when you are the POTUS. What you don't say is almost as important. Trump never, ever acted as the POTUS. He was constantly in campaign mode, looking for support from his base so he could continue in office. He never put the country first. If it coincided with what benefitted him then he would make big claims but at the forefront of his thoughts was always how this would impact him.

So allowing his indoctrinated base to believe that the election was "stolen" when there was no actual evidence that was true, and then not to call for calm at the appropriate moment was beyond irresponsible. To not squash the Qanon conspiracy but pretend he knew nothing about it, was a cruel act of harm.

The grassroots of Republicanism do NOT lie with Trump and his support base. The Republicans have been hijacked by them but will now, I believe, distance themselves as rapidly as possible. The never-Trumpers will rise up and regain their party's heart. There is much more that binds the mainstream of both the Republican and Democratic parties than divides them. They differ on policy but are decent people, who believe in democracy and the rule of law. Whilst there are certainly now some who are made in Trump's image they seem to be losing funding and respectability pretty quickly. Those who continue to offer him support risk becoming pariahs. I think the new Congress may well surprise us by working better together to get things done than many expect.

You seem surprised that some states resisted Trump. Why on earth wouldn't they? He was the worst POTUS ever by a country mile. Any respectable politician had a duty to resist him.

The Democrats have a massive task ahead. Not only do they inherit a surging pandemic which has been very poorly handled by the previous administration, but they also have a population split as never before. One in which the kind of distrust and attitudes you display have been deliberately sown by the previous POTUS.

One term will never be enough. The recovery and rebuilding will take a generation. Whether Biden can stabilise things has yet to be seen but he certainly cannot make things worse himself. My hope is that he will reach out across the aisle in Congress and ask for co-operation to try to overcome the problems together. Repairing the divisions in the country will take much longer, but Congress is where it can start. We will see, but I hope that the cynicism you show isn't replicated there or things will be much harder than they need to be.

The right is no more being censored than the left. Those who call for violence in pursuit of their political aims and/or spread harmful misinformation are. "Silicon Valley" have at last woken up to the dangers of not effectively moderating content and started to act in the public interest. If that upsets a few who prefer to allow people to promote violence without restraint, then so be it.

There is no freedom without responsibility.

You do indeed reap what you sow. As Trump and his supporters are finding out the hard way.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (18 Jan 2021 12.10am)