We haven't recovered.
We've been in the eye of the storm.

Ah yes. Rationality. Self-reflection. Because at the moment, the enlightened policy makers at the helm of our society have seen in-work poverty increase to 3.8 million. Productivity remains at historic lows, growth has completely stagnated despite near-0 interest rates, hospitals don't have enough beds in A&E, most young people can't afford a property and every indicator points to the fact that one more tumult in global markets will cause this country to spiral back in to recession.

If we were living under a Labour government with those figures people would undoubtedly be saying 'well this is what you get with socialism'. But because it's the tories, who are meant to be the pragmatists, these figures must simply be bizarre anomalies or administrative errors. How about a little self-reflection on your part Stirling? Or is it going to be finger pointing and deflection?

Isn't it interesting how the post-2008 economic demise - almost unanimously blamed on Labour and Gordon Brown by the right for years - is now a globalised issue, and the consequences of it are no longer political but fateful now the Tories are in.

I guess we shouldn't mention that post-crash the only European country whose wages have fallen more sharply than ours is Greece...

Well then Mr full brain you then contradict yourself by worrying as your initial post suggested we shouldn't believe those suggesting Russian intervention into Labour.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2018 2.47pm)

Poverty levels are indicative of globalization, which as a lefty you no doubt support. They are also the effects of the 2008 realities that will take at least another ten years without bust to even reasonably recover from......just like the depression in the twenties wasn't even fully recovered from until after WW2.

You, of course, being part of that non reflective Corbyn cast aren't interested in those realities. Instead you just waffle on as though this country hadn't been though the worst economic western failure for ninety years as you compare statistics now to pre collapse times.

As I say, if elected Corbyn will wreck this economy from its inching recovery......and personally I'm pretty sure that people like yourself will be nowhere to be found to account for what you said.

As they say, success has many fathers but failure is an orphan. I almost hope Corbyn wins because I want to see the wreckage of your ideology struggle to reconcile with the reality of how economics actually works.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Apr 2018 3.31pm)

No, socialism delivered health welfare and education to everybody, before you may simply have been excluded. your life depended on whether you could pay.

We should remember that in our criticism, that prior to post war labour we may have suffered adversity as most of us expect at some time, and simply been left helpless.