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 Mstrobez  10 Jun 17 4.18pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Quite right I am all for people having to pay their own Primary School fees as well. I mean, the idea that a better educated society is capable of developing more rapidly economically, whoever heard such nonsense. Who's to say going out and experiencing work from a young age isn't as valuable to some intellectually and practically as a university education would be. I know people who've gone to Uni and pretty much got slaughtered for 3 years, got a degree in a subject that's ended up being completely irrelevant to their new found career as a recruitment consultant. I think primary school fees and uni tuition fees are a comprehensively different argument.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Jun 17 5.00pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Funnily enough, Nick, so is this stuff. Bit lacking in the satire front.
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 10 Jun 17 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Perhaps we should all rally behind Lord Bucket Head at the next election. He has at least as many credentials to be Prime Minister as Jeremy Corbyn. i.e. that he is not a Tory and not Teri May.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jun 17 5.16pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
i.e. that he is not a Tory and not Teri May. His TV manner was better.
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| Mapletree Croydon 10 Jun 17 5.38pm |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
Who's to say going out and experiencing work from a young age isn't as valuable to some intellectually and practically as a university education would be. I know people who've gone to Uni and pretty much got slaughtered for 3 years, got a degree in a subject that's ended up being completely irrelevant to their new found career as a recruitment consultant. I think primary school fees and uni tuition fees are a comprehensively different argument. I am all for apprenticeships. And of course the UK is so very good at implementing them. Don't know if you have noticed, there aren't many jobs out there for young people that are in the slightest part developmental. Believe me I know. Nowadays most good jobs require very deep specialisms. Modern world innit.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 10 Jun 17 5.39pm |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
Who's to say going out and experiencing work from a young age isn't as valuable to some intellectually and practically as a university education would be. I know people who've gone to Uni and pretty much got slaughtered for 3 years, got a degree in a subject that's ended up being completely irrelevant to their new found career as a recruitment consultant. I think primary school fees and uni tuition fees are a comprehensively different argument. I think it was on 5Live where there were a a few students being interviewed and whilst all of them would have been happy to see the back of tuition fees, most thought the money could be better spent. Also, at what point should someone pay/not pay for further education action? My wife is spending £12k on her Masters and I am spending just short of £10k for my studies maybe we are missing a trick?
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 10 Jun 17 5.53pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
His TV manner was better... tan Teri May. EFA. But I understand Lord Bucket Head refused to appear on Woman's hour.
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| Mstrobez 10 Jun 17 5.53pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
I think it was on 5Live where there were a a few students being interviewed and whilst all of them would have been happy to see the back of tuition fees, most thought the money could be better spent. Also, at what point should someone pay/not pay for further education action? My wife is spending £12k on her Masters and I am spending just short of £10k for my studies maybe we are missing a trick? I think it's a balancing act and a system that needs reviewing. Of course you don't wanna saddle students with debt but surely a larger percentage of the funding should come from the student rather than it being completely equally being placed upon everyone, including many that chose not to go, especially when they may contribute to the economy as much or even more. With the NHS at breaking point and police cuts during a terrorist epidemic I suppose it's a case of us as a society deciding what our priorities should be.
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| Mapletree Croydon 10 Jun 17 5.54pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
I think it was on 5Live where there were a a few students being interviewed and whilst all of them would have been happy to see the back of tuition fees, most thought the money could be better spent. Also, at what point should someone pay/not pay for further education action? My wife is spending £12k on her Masters and I am spending just short of £10k for my studies maybe we are missing a trick? Fees are all very well but... It costs as much to collect them as it would cost to provide the tuition free. and The levels are huge. At the end of your studies you owe a minimum of £45k and it's ever increasing. This puts a huge pressure on people and if they don't have the bank of mum and dad behind them they are less and less likely to take the risk. We don't have an industrial base either so we have few options for the less qualified. Those people who do have bank of mum and dad get on, leaving all others behind. We end up with a huge gulf between the haves and have nots. And indeed, that is what is happening. Look at the stats. So little wonder we have many disillusioned young people.
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| Mstrobez 10 Jun 17 5.57pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I am all for apprenticeships. And of course the UK is so very good at implementing them. Don't know if you have noticed, there aren't many jobs out there for young people that are in the slightest part developmental. Believe me I know. Nowadays most good jobs require very deep specialisms. Modern world innit. Perhaps not but from a business sense a lot of the time it's about getting your foot in the door, which is usually easier with experience rather than a degree. Many many entrepreneurs and CEO's who don't even have a-levels.
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| Mstrobez 10 Jun 17 6.01pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Fees are all very well but... It costs as much to collect them as it would cost to provide the tuition free. The levels are huge. At the end of your studies you owe a minimum of £45k and it's ever increasing. This puts a huge pressure on people and if they don't have the bank of mum and dad behind them they are less and less likely to take the risk. We don't have an industrial base either so we have few options for the less qualified. Those people who do have bank of mum and dad get on, leaving all others behind. We end up with a huge gulf between the haves and have nots. And indeed, that is what is happening. Look at the stats. So little wonder we have many disillusioned young people. Why is this just out of interest? Admittedly not that educated on the subject as I didn't go to uni, just thinking out loud RE the practicality of free tuition fees I suppose.
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| Mapletree Croydon 10 Jun 17 6.09pm |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
Why is this just out of interest? Admittedly not that educated on the subject as I didn't go to uni, just thinking out loud RE the practicality of free tuition fees I suppose. I did a bid to buy the portfolio It's a bit of a mess. Much of the money never gets collected as people go abroad or don't earn enough to hit the threshold. Also loads of bad debt in it. It has a very long lifespan and it isn't secured. And it's lots of fairly small loans that takes an awful lot of administration.
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