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Pembroke Bristol 20 Jan 22 9.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
On their website its states HOW WE WORK. HOPE not hate exists to challenge all kinds of extremism. They also state they want to counter hate and build inclusive communities.
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Hrolf The Ganger 20 Jan 22 9.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Pembroke
On their website its states HOW WE WORK. HOPE not hate exists to challenge all kinds of extremism. They also state they want to counter hate and build inclusive communities. We all know what that means. I'm sure the Nazis had similar catchy slogans.
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Ketteridge Brighton 20 Jan 22 9.56pm | |
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Hope not Hate would need to be a creditor to be able to apply for an Insolvency Practitioner to be appointed, when Tommy Robinson applied for Bankruptcy an Official Receiver would be appointed by The Insolvency Service which is a government body. The Creditors can then decide if they want to appoint an independent Insolvency Practitioner or not, if the creditors feel it worth shelling out IPs can investigate further. The Official Receiver is a civil servant limited for time and resources while an IP works for a private company so basically you get a fuller service at a cost. Edited by Ketteridge (20 Jan 2022 10.11pm)
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Ketteridge Brighton 20 Jan 22 10.09pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Robinson lost his libel case so I would say mission accomplished for the charity. Taking the lead in going after his money seems vindictive. They were not not the aggrieved party in the lawsuit but chose to fund the legal case for the young man and are entitled to recover their costs but it is the optics which do not look good. The taxman is a big boy and should take point in investigating if Robinson is hiding any money if he is by default they would get their funds back. I am not saying they have done anything wrong but it doesn't look good that they are leading the charge it would have been better to let the other creditors do that whilst taking the moral high ground that what they were concerned with defeating him in court not ruining a man financially. If true I hope Robinson and his wife do get done to many people use bankruptcy to jettison their debts at the expense of others.
One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A |
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Badger11 Beckenham 30 Jan 22 9.32am | |
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Well according to this story the major terrorist threat is from the Far Right. I hope the Met are not taking their eye off the ball. If they have credible evidence of plotting fair enough none of us want to see any terrorist attacks. However if the "rise" of the far right is actually teachers reporting little Johnny because he's dad says Nigel Farage is the best well.....
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Stirlingsays 30 Jan 22 10.43am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Well according to this story the major terrorist threat is from the Far Right. I hope the Met are not taking their eye off the ball. If they have credible evidence of plotting fair enough none of us want to see any terrorist attacks. However if the "rise" of the far right is actually teachers reporting little Johnny because he's dad says Nigel Farage is the best well..... Any look at UK terrorism statistics shows just how much of a lie the article is. This 'journalist' names groups as a threat which have specific non violence written into their constitution. Like people comparing opposition to global village politics they seek to exaggerate the ideas of those opposed to them in a bid to create fear. But lying doesn't get better because you believe you're right. Essentially it's the neo liberal playbook....they create the problems and then accuse you of being extreme when you react against them. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jan 2022 10.46am)
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georgenorman 30 Jan 22 11.57am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Well according to this story the major terrorist threat is from the Far Right. I hope the Met are not taking their eye off the ball. If they have credible evidence of plotting fair enough none of us want to see any terrorist attacks. However if the "rise" of the far right is actually teachers reporting little Johnny because he's dad says Nigel Farage is the best well..... The Met don't even acknowledge that there is a ball.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jan 22 2.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Well according to this story the major terrorist threat is from the Far Right. I hope the Met are not taking their eye off the ball. If they have credible evidence of plotting fair enough none of us want to see any terrorist attacks. However if the "rise" of the far right is actually teachers reporting little Johnny because he's dad says Nigel Farage is the best well..... Not very likely is it? A report in the far from left-wing Mail which mentions the activities of the "Patriotic Alliance" and the "national Front" in Havering seems to indicate it's rather more than that. Of course, some think these organisations are benign and present no danger to anyone. Experts in security, no doubt with better information than any of us, disagree.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jan 22 2.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Any look at UK terrorism statistics shows just how much of a lie the article is. This 'journalist' names groups as a threat which have specific non violence written into their constitution. Like people comparing opposition to global village politics they seek to exaggerate the ideas of those opposed to them in a bid to create fear. But lying doesn't get better because you believe you're right. Essentially it's the neo liberal playbook....they create the problems and then accuse you of being extreme when you react against them. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jan 2022 10.46am) An organisation can write whatever it likes in its constitution. It's a useful tool of denial whenever members misbehave. I suspect that the intelligence services, including those of the Met, who wrote this report, and MI5 who have previously said much the same, know what they are talking about. They don't say this kind of thing for no reason. They almost certainly have sources embedded in the organisations and ways of listening to their communications. So I think we can trust them. Objecting to the political direction being taken by the country is a perfectly legitimate activity. No security service would raise any concerns over that. This has to be something else.
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Badger11 Beckenham 30 Jan 22 2.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not very likely is it? A report in the far from left-wing Mail which mentions the activities of the "Patriotic Alliance" and the "national Front" in Havering seems to indicate it's rather more than that. Of course, some think these organisations are benign and present no danger to anyone. Experts in security, no doubt with better information than any of us, disagree. Its already happen on multiple occasions. Teachers reporting children to the Prevent scheme for comments from kids supporting Trump and Farage. I just hope you are correct that they are focusing on groups based on real intelligence and not some PR exercise because they don't wish to offend others. The threat of the far Right on this country has always been vastly exaggerated because it suits the left to have an enemy and often suits the authorities for various reasons. Tommy Robinson the big bogey man of the left only managed to get 2% of the vote. Hardly the rise of the far right.
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Stirlingsays 30 Jan 22 5.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
An organisation can write whatever it likes in its constitution. It's a useful tool of denial whenever members misbehave. I suspect that the intelligence services, including those of the Met, who wrote this report, and MI5 who have previously said much the same, know what they are talking about. They don't say this kind of thing for no reason. They almost certainly have sources embedded in the organisations and ways of listening to their communications. So I think we can trust them. Objecting to the political direction being taken by the country is a perfectly legitimate activity. No security service would raise any concerns over that. This has to be something else. Yeah, that's right, you can trust intelligence services. They don't exaggerate or lie. Yeah, you see the stuff you're writing here is the very essence of truth....which everyone can see you care deeply about.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jan 22 6.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Its already happen on multiple occasions. Teachers reporting children to the Prevent scheme for comments from kids supporting Trump and Farage. I just hope you are correct that they are focusing on groups based on real intelligence and not some PR exercise because they don't wish to offend others. The threat of the far Right on this country has always been vastly exaggerated because it suits the left to have an enemy and often suits the authorities for various reasons. Tommy Robinson the big bogey man of the left only managed to get 2% of the vote. Hardly the rise of the far right. I don't think MI5 are going to be interested in tittle-tattle. Or in pandering to the left. They have more than enough to do. So you can be confident that if they say this is a concern, then it is. That those who sympathise with the far right will deny it is only to be expected.
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