Indeed, it's about the communications act and not about some activist the left don't like.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I had to read that tweet several times before I understood it, very confusing like the tweeter.

The comment about hating women is interesting. It may have been Jenni Murray certainly a well know feminist who pointed out that there is a strong whiff of misogyny amongst the Trans community they want to be women but hate women and hate lesbians who wont date Trans women.

As for the rest of us normies sigh.

One more point

.

You identify the gulf in attitude that divides the way the two groups think about this very effectively. Yours is based in simple biology and is constrained by it.

The other acknowledges that biology can make mistakes and that there is more to sexuality than just physically.

Science backs both view points. The biology is unarguable. The doctors specialising in gender dysphoria are psychologists, which is also a scientifically based discipline.

I find just as hard as you to understand this. It is counter intuitive. I have though witnessed it at first hand so know that it’s very real and something that’s not wanted.It just is.

Maybe we should leave it there.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I think I have failed to really stamp my case on this by too often resorting to facetious remarks/posts.

What you have articulated there is fine as far as I am concerned. It's all very grey and very hard to distinctly and categorically pin down. Psychology only ever really exists as a hypothetical science however and is very, very often treated as scientific fact where it can never, 100%, infallibly be.

Where my grievance lies is not with the exploration, investigation or, what I would deem to be appropriate, a humanistic approach to 'transgenderism'. My grievance is with the ideological and active promotion of this as some sort or alternative, cultural movement.

I think firstly in obfuscates, detracts and seriously harms any scientific investigation but also has very severe consequences for individuals who get drawn into or indoctrinated by this ideological approach. There is a shocking and appalling suicide rate aligned to transgenderism which is falsely attributed to societal rejection of the 'ism' and has seriously ignored the possibility of individuals being led to believe they are 'transgender' when actually their issues, which as stated often lead to suicide, lie elsewhere and go untreated and exacerbated through being hijacked by ideologues or idiots. Transgenderism often suits a narrative for a course of action some individuals are looking to pursue as opposed to being of genuine concern as a stand alone entity to them.

Those looking for 'acceptance' I can, even if I don't understand, certainly make room for as a human being. What I reject is having the fabric and laws of society changed and being constantly bombarded with ideological propaganda by a 'movement' which, as far as I am concerned, is seeking to achieve that which lies separately to it's smokescreen, purported ideals - treating people with dignity and understanding them.

The end result of my aforementioned scenario would be an infringement on the likes of freedom of speech, suppression of individual thought and a very severe disturbance in the mindset of some, you know, to the extent they actively and very publicly start expressing their hatred for almost half of peoples due to nothing else than their, 100% scientifically backed, biological categorisation or start killing themselves if not others. This does not bode well at all and given enough momentum could result in severe consequences for human beings en masse if we are not seeing it in small scale or individual instances already.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

Midlands your troubles lie far deeper I am afraid if you are referring to anything I post as 'intellectual'

Just call it 'rambling' and we can all breathe a little easier until we go back to Palace Talk and face that reality!

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

I think you pretty much nailed it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)