Goddard physically assualted and threatened a photographer. He has confronted politicians multiple times using language and methods that would very reasonably make a person fear that he was going to go the same. As I say we live in a time where individuals do go from the 'traitor' language to acting on it in fatal ways. Best not to let it get to that point.

All I know of Carl Benjamin is that he was a UKIP MP who would get attention through publicity seeking statements. There's a video of calling a disabled girl a retard for effect, one of him repeatedly laughing about Heather Heyers getting run over and killed during Charlottesville. He also repeated joked about raping ("I wouldn't even rape you" ) and indeed implying he would actually rape ("with enough pressure I might cave”) before tagging on another punchline, a female politician who had expressed concerned over previous sexual assault comments. As result she received a significant number of actual direct rape threats and understandably felt concerned that this might endanger her safety. He was investigated and it was taken no further, as was someone who threw a milkshake at him. I'm happy for people to say and joke about what they wish, and so disagree with anything physical but beyond that public judgement is likely to be passed on such repugnant, unfunny targeted conduct. He's a Father with kids, not a teenager. Personally, I'd much rather someone throw a milkshake at me, than have countless men repeatedly threaten to rape my partner.

I do understand that demeaning and controlling women does play very well in some political quarters. Arguably that's true on both left and right really, with fair concerns about womens spaces due to the trans issue, incel types being told that women have little worth and are there to be used, the know your place list goes on. Perhaps whatever our politics, we could at least try elevating those who don't behave as if they've just crawled out of the gutter.

Edited by MrWhyNot (08 Jan 2023 7.36pm)

‘In one video filmed earlier this month and posted on Twitter, he shouts at a police officer: “You want a war I’ll give you a war. You want it, it’s on. Every Saturday, you are fair game.” When the officer says he is “not deaf, you don’t have to shout”, Goddard responds: “You’re not even British.”‘
Oh, he’s a little charmer.
Having a difference of opinion is one thing, inciting violence is where we draw the line. I believe one of his previous convictions involved him threatening to beat up a photographer as soon as the police weren’t around and that he and his football mates knew who the photographer was.

I don’t want to get into another long disagreement with you on this as I recognise we see this situation very differently but could I encourage you to read the tweet again? What is being said is not that they are spending time and money trying to ”be” anything but they are trying to be recognised and accepted as something. They already believe they are that something, even if you and the 3 girls don’t yet agree.

If those feelings are sincere then respecting them seems a kindness to me.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

If Goddard is assaulting people then I have no issue, if that's an honest description of what happened. When you talk about 'inciting violence' (if these descriptions are a fair and not biased assessment) I'd also agree, however let's not forget the subjective example I gave in my last post on how these rules seem to be selectively applied. Anyway all 'assault' and 'inciting violence' offences are already covered under separate long existing laws and have never needed the communications act.

And let's remind ourselves that was what I was posting on not about a specific person.

Sure, we could talk about Goddard's situation specifically as he's quite a public figure when you look into him. However, this wasn't what I was talking about.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jan 2023 11.41pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

"Flirting "? That's generous. This is the usual contrarian nonsense peddled by the poster.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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As I said I know we don’t agree on this but when they say they hate them I am pretty sure that’s a cry of frustration and not a statement of fact. They feel they are a woman. What you or I think is an irrelevance. What matters are their feelings.

That whole tweet is frustration on fire. What I am suggesting is that we all need to be sensitive to the way others perceive themselves and stop trying to impose our own beliefs on them. We wouldn’t like to be regarded as something we don’t believe we are. Why expect it of others?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.