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Ouzo Dan Behind you 29 Dec 21 5.24pm | |
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Originally posted by DanH
This place is a microcosm of right wing lunacy and been descending that way further for years, driven by the owners and moderators. The decent posters are long gone and will never return. This from the man who will happily hide behind gender to defend appalling racists he agrees with politically. see Sasha Johnson
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HKOwen Hong Kong 29 Dec 21 11.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
This from the man who will happily hide behind gender to defend appalling racists he agrees with politically. see Sasha Johnson That would be the same Saha Johnson who calls black people who don't agree with her ****s, threatens them and is a complete racist.
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Mapletree Croydon 30 Dec 21 9.01am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I don't think that is the case at all. So you would be happy to see Dan go. Presumably me too then. Internecine bickering better than debating at a philosophical level as it doesn’t demand such an open mind. echo chamber
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Stirlingsays 30 Dec 21 9.10am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I don't think that is the case at all. It's a great reply. The echo chamber argument doesn't really work for forums. I think within a work environment there can be a point to that....and to an extent our personal lives but it's also important that the disagreement in those areas is constructive and friendly.....otherwise what should be constructive becomes destructive. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Dec 2021 9.23am)
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Stirlingsays 30 Dec 21 9.22am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
So you would be happy to see Dan go. Presumably me too then. Internecine bickering better than debating at a philosophical level as it doesn’t demand such an open mind. echo chamber I don't see it as a binary option. I certainly think the regularly posting left on Hol have become more aggressive since the Gusset exodus (with some notable exceptions like Danns)....indeed, all of these claims of Hol being some kind of right wing site are amusing to those of us who were here back when Jamiemartin was winning 'poster of the year' polls and the left were much more prominent. Dan can get particularly negative, which is a shame....then again so can you. However, I don't see the need for things to be taken so personally myself.
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Mapletree Croydon 30 Dec 21 9.42am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't see it as a binary option. I certainly think the regularly posting left on Hol have become more aggressive since the Gusset exodus (with some notable exceptions like Danns)....indeed, all of these claims of Hol being some kind of right wing site are amusing to those of us who were here back when Jamiemartin was winning 'poster of the year' polls and the left were much more prominent. Dan can get particularly negative, which is a shame....then again so can you. However, I don't see the need for things to be taken so personally myself. My goodness You may not have noticed In general I am supportive of those people we entrust with our safety and argue on the positive side. Unless they prove themselves untrustworthy You, on the other hand …
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Stirlingsays 30 Dec 21 10.00am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
My goodness You may not have noticed In general I am supportive of those people we entrust with our safety and argue on the positive side. Unless they prove themselves untrustworthy You, on the other hand … Life has taught me to trust only those who have earned it. But that doesn't require a negative tone.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Dec 21 9.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't see it as a binary option. I certainly think the regularly posting left on Hol have become more aggressive since the Gusset exodus (with some notable exceptions like Danns)....indeed, all of these claims of Hol being some kind of right wing site are amusing to those of us who were here back when Jamiemartin was winning 'poster of the year' polls and the left were much more prominent. Dan can get particularly negative, which is a shame....then again so can you. However, I don't see the need for things to be taken so personally myself. I couldn't let that pass without questioning it! Just who, I wonder, identifies as being "left" here? I know I don't, and I don't read any posts that I think any reasonable person would regard as from a genuinely left wing position. I read a few from those with a more balanced socially responsible position than the majority of posters, but "left"? None at all. That there are repeated assertions of the type above is only support for my belief that the further to the right you are, the more you perceive almost everyone else as "left". So the question is not to those on the right, who believe this kind of claim, but to their targets. How do you identify yourself? Most people are neither left, nor right. They are mostly moderate centralists with slight leanings one way or the other.
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Grumbles 30 Dec 21 9.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I couldn't let that pass without questioning it! Just who, I wonder, identifies as being "left" here? I know I don't, and I don't read any posts that I think any reasonable person would regard as from a genuinely left wing position. I read a few from those with a more balanced socially responsible position than the majority of posters, but "left"? None at all. That there are repeated assertions of the type above is only support for my belief that the further to the right you are, the more you perceive almost everyone else as "left". So the question is not to those on the right, who believe this kind of claim, but to their targets. How do you identify yourself? Most people are neither left, nor right. They are mostly moderate centralists with slight leanings one way or the other. I've noticed that if you disagree with some very right wing values, you seem to be automatically called left wing and a Trot etc. without attempt to analyse the values or what is actually written.
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Matov 30 Dec 21 9.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's a great reply. The echo chamber argument doesn't really work for forums. I think within a work environment there can be a point to that....and to an extent our personal lives but it's also important that the disagreement in those areas is constructive and friendly.....otherwise what should be constructive becomes destructive. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Dec 2021 9.23am) Until a couple of years ago I would have agreed with you but now I am no longer convinced there can be any kind of constructive and friendly dialogue with those on the Left. The Left want to force us to accept that a man can wake up in the morning and decide that he is in fact a she. And if we question that, have us exposed to all kinds of state-sanctioned punishments. And we have a supposed 'Conservative' Government who fully sanction it. There is no possible way back from this other than some kind of formal seperation. How, when or where that happens, then I am all ears but that is only a discussion worth having with similar-minded folk. It really is a tipping point issue.
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OldFella London 30 Dec 21 10.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Then your promise is worthless. You don't speak for 'we'. In addition without people prepared to take opposite views this august site becomes completely pointless. Just a bunch of homogenous sad souls constantly reinforcing each other. My apologies. I had you marked down as already in the playground. I do chuckle at your self righteousness and over-inflated sense of self though.
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Stirlingsays 30 Dec 21 10.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Until a couple of years ago I would have agreed with you but now I am no longer convinced there can be any kind of constructive and friendly dialogue with those on the Left. The Left want to force us to accept that a man can wake up in the morning and decide that he is in fact a she. And if we question that, have us exposed to all kinds of state-sanctioned punishments. And we have a supposed 'Conservative' Government who fully sanction it. There is no possible way back from this other than some kind of formal seperation. How, when or where that happens, then I am all ears but that is only a discussion worth having with similar-minded folk. It really is a tipping point issue. At the moment we are living in times where increasing globalisation is being forced upon all of us....left, right and anything in between. I fully agree with you that there are areas of significant difference between different fractions even from within the same movement.....However, history teaches many times over that a divided resistance is exponentially weaker than a combined one. What I'm saying is that on certain topics of mutual interest it makes sense to break bread and that the 'all or nothing' approach on everything......Well, it results in nothing for nobody. I'm saying that compartmentation is a useful tool for anybody and that purity spiralling is a luxury that only those with real power can afford.
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