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Mstrobez 10 Jun 17 10.54am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
"Austerity" as you put it to try and reduce the defecit and get finances under control in order to have a strong economy.I would have understood this even if it was Labour who was going down this path but alas they just believe in tax and SPEND,SPEND,SPEND with precious little thought for whether the increased expenditure is being spent wisely. As for "Tax cuts for the rich" this does make me laugh when the rich pay the higher rate and as such already contribute a great deal to the coffers. Besides under the Conservatives the amount one can earn before paying tax has been going up and up, now going up to £12,500 and this of course helps ordinary families on lower incomes. As for "Tory indifference over 10 years", let's not forget that there was a coalition Government between 2010 and 2015 where compromises have to be made with one's coalition partners.And such "Indifference" has led to record numbers in employment. At the end of the day, the election was NOT a victory for Labour as is being portrayed - they fell short by nearly 60 seats and there is still a Conservative PM in 'No 10'. Edited by Willo (10 Jun 2017 9.39am) You're missing my point. Just as you say a consequence of "SPEND SPEND SPEND" is the damage it can do to the economy, the consequence of "CUT CUT CUT" is the protest that will inevitably form and rejection from many in society, as has been shown. Perhaps the Tories should prepare themselves better for this in future by perhaps just giving a bit more of a f***. For me we've genuinely reached breaking point for many public services that we universally agree are vital to the society that we all live in and therefore Corbyn was a better option than another 5 years of the Tories who I'm fairly confident will do little to address these issues. The voting has clearly shown there to be a lot of people (40% of the electorate) far more concerned about issues at home then simply how amazing and sovereign we will be once we've left the EU (it's extremely hard to believe this s*** from someone who camapigned for remain, surprisingly). I'm a lot more to the centre in my beliefs than perhaps I've portrayed but at this current time in society I feel we are giving up a lot of our countries core values for the sake of not much at all and I'd rather someone in charge who at least acknowledges these problems and I still maintain that Corbyns proposals weren't half as radical and absurd as the Daily Mail and many on here would have you believe. Perhaps a little far fetched in the scale of change he was promising but I hardly think Corporation tax of 26% and a top rate of income tax at 50p is this scathing and economically suicidal attack on businesses or the wealthy. The only legitimate argument I've heard of the potential recklessness of these tax increases is the combination of them alongside the uncertainty of Brexit, which ironically came about from right wing propaganda. So perhaps some of you should take some responsibility for the potential burden you've placed on a large number in society yourselves, instead of just laughing off who wants to at least try and address some of these real issues as "unrealistic". The truth is businesses depend on society all prospering to a certain level for their own prosperity and success. The idea of investing to grow is a tangible concept and not craziness, you're just too stuck in your "pragmatic" ideology to see this.
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 10 Jun 17 10.59am | |
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Originally posted by europalace
Some of the 'older' posters on here are clearly jealous of other people's youth and the opportunities they have today, simple as that. They make up the selfish group who pushed through the brexit referendum not giving a damn about the prospects of the younger generations. A truly sad situation which I've never seen in the many other European countries I've lived in, where they focus on supporting their young people because they realise they are the future. Edited by europalace (10 Jun 2017 9.32am) MORE crap from you and it is getting so very boring. The older generation are not jealous in fact we are looking out for our children and grandchildren but a people like you just cannot see it. You need to get your head out of the bucket and start seeing us as we really are.
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Kermit8 Hevon 10 Jun 17 11.08am | |
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Originally posted by susmik
MORE crap from you and it is getting so very boring. The older generation are not jealous in fact we are looking out for our children and grandchildren but a people like you just cannot see it. You need to get your head out of the bucket and start seeing us as we really are. You are looking out for them by disagreeing with them and blocking what they want for their own futures?
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Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jun 17 11.21am | |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
You are looking out for them by disagreeing with them and blocking what they want for their own futures? Because kids know best right Kermy? Wisdom is wasted on the old as they say. That said, your old. What went wrong? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Jun 2017 11.21am)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Jun 17 11.27am | |
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This stuff about people not being able to work abroad is pure rubbish. They may not be able to waste a year or 2 in a job that counts for very little on their cv bet let's not pretend their future has been destroyed because they might have to fill in a form or 2.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 10 Jun 17 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
By coalition with the DUP the government cannot be neutral over N.Ireland any more. I wonder how serious that is. I keep asking but you (or anyone else from the left) haven't responded. As unpleasant as the DUP are, did you have any concerns when Labour got into bed with the Ulster Or is it only when the Tories use NI politicians
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steeleye20 Croydon 10 Jun 17 11.41am | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
I keep asking but you (or anyone else from the left) haven't responded. As unpleasant as the DUP are, did you have any concerns when Labour got into bed with the Ulster Or is it only when the Tories use NI politicians I saw that but it is history I am interested in what is here and now.
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Stirlingsays 10 Jun 17 11.44am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I saw that but it is history I am interested in what is here and now. Hahaha! Na, you are just comfortable with hypocrisy as long as it suits your argument.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 10 Jun 17 11.44am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I saw that but it is history I am interested in what is here and now. Nice swerve, considered dodgeball?
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 10 Jun 17 11.46am | |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
I keep asking but you (or anyone else from the left) haven't responded. As unpleasant as the DUP are, did you have any concerns when Labour got into bed with the Ulster Or is it only when the Tories use NI politicians What do you mean by getting in bed with. It's easier for those that don't know (what with all the blatant disinformation in the election campaign - garden tax? That was made up yet plenty bought the lie) if you actually say what they did.
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Stirlingsays 10 Jun 17 11.47am | |
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The reaction against the DUP on these boards is ridiculous but expected of those who basically aren't pro British state. They mistakenly feel emboldened. This vote wasn't for their point of view in regards of being anti British state.....or in their minds against imperialism.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 10 Jun 17 11.51am | |
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Originally posted by europalace
Some of the 'older' posters on here are clearly jealous of other people's youth and the opportunities they have today, simple as that. They make up the selfish group who pushed through the brexit referendum not giving a damn about the prospects of the younger generations. A truly sad situation which I've never seen in the many other European countries I've lived in, where they focus on supporting their young people because they realise they are the future. Edited by europalace (10 Jun 2017 9.32am) I would imagine I come under the scope of an older poster. I voted remain but it was reluctantly. The EU stuck two fingers up to Cameron and humiliated him. They were stupid and arrogant. They gave him no wiggle room. Those of us who are older remember life before the EU, although only just for me. We got on just fine. Yes the world has moved on since then but guess what, it is still moving. I want the best for my children and grandchildren just as the leavers did. We just have a difference of opinion on how to get there. As for pushing it through, if the younger generation were that bothered, as I said to my son. They should have voted Edited by Y Ddraig Goch (10 Jun 2017 11.54am)
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