I suspect that is because they are "actual" conservatives and not those that some on the hard right would like them to be.

The Tories have always had a noisy minority hard right fringe element, but the bulk are just people who support the standard conservative values of family, self-reliance, fiscal prudence, respect for others and our heritage.

Such people gradually move with the times, slowly at first maybe but they get there.

So trying to eliminate hate speech is not something they are going to be very interested in overturning. Tidying up any obvious anomalies, maybe, but repeal? Nope.

If you want a party to do that it won't be the Tories. Reform might promise it, but delivering it? I wouldn't risk a £1 at 100 to 1!

The world has changed. You either come to terms with that fact, or your head is going to get very sore banging on closed doors.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

The current mess in the NHS is IMO caused by changing demographics and cost of treatment, rubbish procurement processes, wasted resources on employing for positions that don't contribute to the medical process, too much management.

We don't need a Royal Commission, we need action on easy fixes first.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Governments left and right both gradually strip rights away from the population through policy, because their main priority is always flexing their own power and shutting people down when they become 'a problem'. Sometimes that is due to people being an actual problem, other times a percieved one. Governments haven't been about elevating Joe Public for many decades.

What makes this approach work is that the population is generally - and intentionally - split down the middle politically and so all policies of one restrictive shade or another go through as each perceived 'side' views it as thumbing the eye of their imagined opponents - with a blind spot or zero concern to those on the receiving end. Whether it's done out under a puritanical guise, a 'hate legislation lens, a terror stance, look around the world and it takes all of five seconds to realise that regardless of political persuasion it's different flavours of the exact same thing. Consequently a vote to 'fix' things in the other direction, typically just bulks up another aspect of the same apparatus.

This is a general point, not aimed at your politics specifically, and yes it certainly means that hate laws are very unlikely beyond lip service, to ever get rowed back.

In the case of the featured police letter, often laws are used as a shot across the bow to those realistically looking to get arrested. This Goddard figure has previously been convicted of assault, physically confronted and harrassed a politician, attempted to force another, Corbyn, out of his car to confront him - on both occasions in a rage calling them traitors. We live in an age where someone physically confronting a politician as a traitor while in a rage immediately went on to stab her to death. And let's not forget the David Amess religious radical situation. Authorities focus on extreme types confronting and theatening government figures as if someone then goes on to take it a step further, 'who could've seen this coming' rings hollow.. Benefit of the doubt evaporates. He has no zero tolerance for others to the point of actual violence, and physical intimidation of them then complains that his conduct is not tolerated.

Edited by MrWhyNot (08 Jan 2023 5.30am)

This is yet another example of a broken police service

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

Indeed, unacceptable but enabled via bad law.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Nothing but the usual opinionated waffle with nothing to back it.

You are called out on your blatant hypocrisy. In your previous post stating that people have to accept that society has somehow changed and that it can't revert to their politics when you yourself call for change for politics that you yourself don't like.....it's written claptrap with the self awareness of an NPC.

It's the unaware emperor with no clothes, which in your case is embarrassingly apt.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jan 2023 11.01am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)