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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 05 Jun 24 10.25pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
And it never will for someone as blinkered and short sighted as you. It’s my eyes that are fully open to the realities of the modern world and our place in it. Brexit was all about trying to move back to a time and a situation that had long gone. I had far too many conversations with Brexit supporters in the past not to know the paucity of their arguments. Many of those supporters are now, wisely, keeping very quiet.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Jun 24 10.30pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
The ability to elect the people that make the laws that govern us. No change there then. We always had that ability. It’s just the Brexit lobby who cannot accept why that is.
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| DANGERCLOSE London 05 Jun 24 10.43pm |
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Zero income tax for the first 20k earned I know who I'm voting for
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Attachment: cryrst  The garden of England 06 Jun 24 5.33am |
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I would question the next tax bracket after that though. That is a loss of about £1400 per worker who earns 20 k or more.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 06 Jun 24 7.15am |
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Labour have been coached to add the words " on working people " after declaring no tax rises. Watch out for higher taxes on pensions and any other source of income not directly derived from employment. Edited by HKOwen (06 Jun 2024 7.16am)
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 06 Jun 24 7.30am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I would question the next tax bracket after that though. That is a loss of about £1400 per worker who earns 20 k or more. 1.4 bn per 1,000,000 workers. That could be anywhere between 14 and 20 bn per year. OBR estimate is income tax will be 300bn at current levels in 2024/25 So the result would be a 5-7% reduction in income tax revenue
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 06 Jun 24 8.07am |
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| Badger11 Beckenham 06 Jun 24 8.11am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It’s my eyes that are fully open to the realities of the modern world and our place in it. Brexit was all about trying to move back to a time and a situation that had long gone. I had far too many conversations with Brexit supporters in the past not to know the paucity of their arguments. Many of those supporters are now, wisely, keeping very quiet. For you and others perhaps. But for many of us it was about national sovereignty and accountability. By the way we are saying see accountability coming to the fore. Most of us Brexiteers on here never expected rainbows and unicorns this was said by the remainers. In fact I know that I posted that Brexit was not a end state solution but the start of the reform of the UK. Do nothing MPs were hiding behind the EU as an excuse and Brexit would take away that excuse. And so it has proved, this Tory government constantly blamed the EU over immigration and now they no longer have that excuse, their performance has been terrible. Voters are angry with the Tories and want change and they have nowhere to hide or anyone to blame. They will lose the GE because of it. What we need in this country is a wholesale reform of Parliament, our courts, NHS, immigration service, higher education and training. Labour will now get their chance and if they don't deliver I expect the voters will let them know in turn. No excuses nowhere to hide. Edited by Badger11 (06 Jun 2024 8.13am)
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 06 Jun 24 8.14am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
For you and others perhaps. But for many of us it was about national sovereignty and accountability. By the way we are saying see accountability coming to the fore. Most of us Brexiteers on here never expected rainbows and unicorns this was said by the remainers. In fact I know that I posted that Brexit was not a end state solution but the start of the reform of the UK. Do nothing MPs were hiding behind the EU as an excuse and Brexit would take away that excuse. And so it has proved, this Tory government constantly blamed the EU over immigration and now they no longer have that excuse, their performance has been terrible. Voters are angry with the Tories and want change and they have nowhere to hide or anyone to blame. They will lose the GE because of it. What we need in this country is a wholesale reform of Parliament, our courts, NHS, immigration service, higher education and training. Labour will now get their chance and if they don't deliver I expect the voters will let them know in turn. No excuses nowhere to hide. Edited by Badger11 (06 Jun 2024 8.13am) Agree with this, shame on Theresa May forever.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 06 Jun 24 8.15am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
For you and others perhaps. But for many of us it was about national sovereignty and accountability. By the way we are saying see accountability coming to the fore. Most of us Brexiteers on here never expected rainbows and unicorns this was said by the remainers. In fact I know that I posted that Brexit was not a end state solution but the start of the reform of the UK. Do nothing MPs were hiding behind the EU as an excuse and Brexit would take away that excuse. And so it has proved, this Tory government constantly blamed the EU over immigration and now they no longer have that excuse, their performance has been terrible. Voters are angry with the Tories and want change and they have nowhere to hide or anyone to blame. They will lose the GE because of it. What we need in this country is a wholesale reform of Parliament, our courts, NHS, immigration service, higher education and training. Labour will now get their chance and if they don't deliver I expect the voters will let them know in turn. No excuses nowhere to hide. Edited by Badger11 (06 Jun 2024 8.13am) The establishment did all they could to frustrate the result of the referendum I am sure we will see the EU falling apart over the next ten years only supported by the net takers
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jun 24 10.00am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
For you and others perhaps. But for many of us it was about national sovereignty and accountability. By the way we are saying see accountability coming to the fore. Most of us Brexiteers on here never expected rainbows and unicorns this was said by the remainers. In fact I know that I posted that Brexit was not a end state solution but the start of the reform of the UK. Do nothing MPs were hiding behind the EU as an excuse and Brexit would take away that excuse. And so it has proved, this Tory government constantly blamed the EU over immigration and now they no longer have that excuse, their performance has been terrible. Voters are angry with the Tories and want change and they have nowhere to hide or anyone to blame. They will lose the GE because of it. What we need in this country is a wholesale reform of Parliament, our courts, NHS, immigration service, higher education and training. Labour will now get their chance and if they don't deliver I expect the voters will let them know in turn. No excuses nowhere to hide. Edited by Badger11 (06 Jun 2024 8.13am) Completely worthless commodity in any meaningful way, other than pride, and that can be achieved inside or outside the EU. Accountability is perfectly achievable too. You are just doing it in other ways. They are no justification for us deciding to become isolated from our natural allies and partners and threatening both our economic progress and security. For sure our local politics, and that of the EU, can benefit from being modernised to reflect the current needs and circumstances. There is much we could, and should, do. Changes that are actually more likely if within the EU, than outside.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Jun 24 10.06am |
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Makes about as much sense as this:-
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