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eaglesdare 09 Mar 23 11.15pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle If that was really true, and was known at the time that the vaccines were made available, you would still be selfish for refusing. It remains questionable if it is really true. It seems that the protection offered by the vaccines declines quite quickly, when infections can happen again, but before that they don't happen. The vaccines do protect against severe disease, which is great for the vaccinated, but also for everyone. A less virulent infection produces less coughing and sneezing and generally less virus expulsion. Less virus equals less potential to spread. Not stopping the transmission isn't, and never was, the point. It's reducing it that is. That though is only half the reason you are selfish. The unvaccinated are more likely to suffer severe disease, which in turn demands more NHS resource which would not be necessary if they were vaccinated. Clogging up the NHS just because you are free to do so is selfish. There is a small risk attached to anything, but there is a huge risk in not getting vaccinated. Much bigger than any risk from any side effect. Of course a blood clot is very serious. What isn't is the risk of getting one from being vaccinated. Falling down the stairs and breaking your neck is very serious. It is also much more likely than getting a blood clot from being vaccinated. So unless you never use the stairs you are already taking a bigger risk than you would if you stopped being selfish. So you admit that a blood clot is serious and dangerous. Extremely selfish of you to expect someone to get a vaccine when they don't want nor need it and to risk these dangerous side effects. Extremely selfish of you! In terms of NHS overwhelming....its very selfish of people to be overweight, poor diets, no excerise, drink lots of alcohol, do drugs and what not! Extremely selfish of them! They are the number 1 cause of clogging the NHS Like I said, a virus with 99.9 percent recovery rate. No need to risk or consent to somthing that can potentially cause me more harm and had litterally no effect on the bed wetters hiding behind thier masks on whether I get the vaccine or not! Edited by eaglesdare (09 Mar 2023 11.15pm)
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09 Mar 23 11.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If that was really true, and was known at the time that the vaccines were made available, you would still be selfish for refusing. It remains questionable if it is really true. It seems that the protection offered by the vaccines declines quite quickly, when infections can happen again, but before that they don't happen. The vaccines do protect against severe disease, which is great for the vaccinated, but also for everyone. A less virulent infection produces less coughing and sneezing and generally less virus expulsion. Less virus equals less potential to spread.

Not stopping the transmission isn't, and never was, the point. It's reducing it that is.

That though is only half the reason you are selfish. The unvaccinated are more likely to suffer severe disease, which in turn demands more NHS resource which would not be necessary if they were vaccinated. Clogging up the NHS just because you are free to do so is selfish.

There is a small risk attached to anything, but there is a huge risk in not getting vaccinated. Much bigger than any risk from any side effect.

Of course a blood clot is very serious. What isn't is the risk of getting one from being vaccinated.

Falling down the stairs and breaking your neck is very serious. It is also much more likely than getting a blood clot from being vaccinated. So unless you never use the stairs you are already taking a bigger risk than you would if you stopped being selfish.

So you admit that a blood clot is serious and dangerous. Extremely selfish of you to expect someone to get a vaccine when they don't want nor need it and to risk these dangerous side effects.

Extremely selfish of you!

In terms of NHS overwhelming....its very selfish of people to be overweight, poor diets, no excerise, drink lots of alcohol, do drugs and what not! Extremely selfish of them! They are the number 1 cause of clogging the NHS

Like I said, a virus with 99.9 percent recovery rate. No need to risk or consent to somthing that can potentially cause me more harm and had litterally no effect on the bed wetters hiding behind thier masks on whether I get the vaccine or not!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Mar 23 11.49pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare So you admit that a blood clot is serious and dangerous. Extremely selfish of you to expect someone to get a vaccine when they don't want nor need it and to risk these dangerous side effects. Extremely selfish of you! In terms of NHS overwhelming....its very selfish of people to be overweight, poor diets, no excerise, drink lots of alcohol, do drugs and what not! Extremely selfish of them! They are the number 1 cause of clogging the NHS Like I said, a virus with 99.9 percent recovery rate. No need to risk or consent to somthing that can potentially cause me more harm and had litterally no effect on the bed wetters hiding behind thier masks on whether I get the vaccine or not! Edited by eaglesdare (09 Mar 2023 11.15pm) I am not "admitting" anything! Everybody with half a brain knows a blood clot is dangerous. However only those with half a brain doesn't understand the much more important point is the chances of it happening. If you decided to avoid every risk known to man you would not do anything. Not eat, because rare toxins can kill. Not get out of bed, in case you fell. Not get in a car, as they can kill you. Not cross a road, as they are full of cars. That others are also selfish, doesn't mean you aren't. That's pure whataboutism. Your "flu with a 99.9% recovery rate" is just laughable. It's been ridiculed here enough for me not to have to show you why. That you go on making such a debunked claim is pathetic. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 09 Mar 23 11.49pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

So you admit that a blood clot is serious and dangerous. Extremely selfish of you to expect someone to get a vaccine when they don't want nor need it and to risk these dangerous side effects.

Extremely selfish of you!

Edited by eaglesdare (09 Mar 2023 11.15pm)

I am not "admitting" anything! Everybody with half a brain knows a blood clot is dangerous. However only those with half a brain doesn't understand the much more important point is the chances of it happening.

If you decided to avoid every risk known to man you would not do anything. Not eat, because rare toxins can kill. Not get out of bed, in case you fell. Not get in a car, as they can kill you. Not cross a road, as they are full of cars.

That others are also selfish, doesn't mean you aren't. That's pure whataboutism.

Your "flu with a 99.9% recovery rate" is just laughable. It's been ridiculed here enough for me not to have to show you why. That you go on making such a debunked claim is pathetic.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 10 Mar 23 4.06am
Well you are demonstrably expert on what people with half a brain would know. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 10 Mar 23 4.06am

Well you are demonstrably expert on what people with half a brain would know.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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eaglesdare 10 Mar 23 8.40am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I am not "admitting" anything! Everybody with half a brain knows a blood clot is dangerous. However only those with half a brain doesn't understand the much more important point is the chances of it happening. If you decided to avoid every risk known to man you would not do anything. Not eat, because rare toxins can kill. Not get out of bed, in case you fell. Not get in a car, as they can kill you. Not cross a road, as they are full of cars. That others are also selfish, doesn't mean you aren't. That's pure whataboutism. Your "flu with a 99.9% recovery rate" is just laughable. It's been ridiculed here enough for me not to have to show you why. That you go on making such a debunked claim is pathetic. You are an extremely selfish individual. You just admitted that a blood clot is serious. Why should I risk a blood clot? Very selfish of you to ask me to. In regards to my "claim" can you prove otherwise? Can you provide me with hardcore data?
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10 Mar 23 8.40am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That others are also selfish, doesn't mean you aren't. That's pure whataboutism.

Your "flu with a 99.9% recovery rate" is just laughable. It's been ridiculed here enough for me not to have to show you why. That you go on making such a debunked claim is pathetic.

You are an extremely selfish individual. You just admitted that a blood clot is serious. Why should I risk a blood clot? Very selfish of you to ask me to.

In regards to my "claim" can you prove otherwise? Can you provide me with hardcore data?

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eaglesdare 10 Mar 23 8.44am
Incase anyone is interested. In the UK there was a case fatality of 0.9 percent of people who caught covid died. In a study of 220,000 people. So maybe my my claim was a little off! It's just a 99.1 percent recovery rate. ;-) [Link]
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10 Mar 23 8.44am

Incase anyone is interested. In the UK there was a case fatality of 0.9 percent of people who caught covid died. In a study of 220,000 people. So maybe my my claim was a little off! It's just a 99.1 percent recovery rate. ;-)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Mar 23 9.09am
Originally posted by eaglesdare You are an extremely selfish individual. You just admitted that a blood clot is serious. Why should I risk a blood clot? Very selfish of you to ask me to. In regards to my "claim" can you prove otherwise? Can you provide me with hardcore data? When anyone consistently and deliberately cherry-picks one piece of data and then builds their entire argument on it, ignoring all the other considerations, they are just demonstrating an obsessive desire to confirm their biases. When one miniscule risk is obliterated by a much bigger one, sensible people stop and think about that. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 10 Mar 23 9.09am

Originally posted by eaglesdare

You are an extremely selfish individual. You just admitted that a blood clot is serious. Why should I risk a blood clot? Very selfish of you to ask me to.

In regards to my "claim" can you prove otherwise? Can you provide me with hardcore data?

When anyone consistently and deliberately cherry-picks one piece of data and then builds their entire argument on it, ignoring all the other considerations, they are just demonstrating an obsessive desire to confirm their biases.

When one miniscule risk is obliterated by a much bigger one, sensible people stop and think about that.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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eaglesdare 10 Mar 23 9.19am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle When anyone consistently and deliberately cherry-picks one piece of data and then builds their entire argument on it, ignoring all the other considerations, they are just demonstrating an obsessive desire to confirm their biases. When one miniscule risk is obliterated by a much bigger one, sensible people stop and think about that. Still have not seen you provide any data at all.
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10 Mar 23 9.19am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

When one miniscule risk is obliterated by a much bigger one, sensible people stop and think about that.

Still have not seen you provide any data at all.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Mar 23 9.19am
Originally posted by eaglesdare Incase anyone is interested. In the UK there was a case fatality of 0.9 percent of people who caught covid died. In a study of 220,000 people. So maybe my my claim was a little off! It's just a 99.1 percent recovery rate. ;-) [Link] Why was that? Was it because we let the virus rip through our population and didn't protect them with all available measures, including vaccinations? Or was it kept at a lower level and our health service continued to function because we did? Look at the data from other places. How high does it have to go before you think it is serious? Claiming a 0.9 death rate justifies your anti-vaccine, anti-lockdown, anti-everything other than the ability to do whatever you like, is complete bs. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 10 Mar 23 9.19am

Originally posted by eaglesdare

[Link]

Why was that?

Was it because we let the virus rip through our population and didn't protect them with all available measures, including vaccinations?

Or was it kept at a lower level and our health service continued to function because we did?

Look at the data from other places. How high does it have to go before you think it is serious?

Claiming a 0.9 death rate justifies your anti-vaccine, anti-lockdown, anti-everything other than the ability to do whatever you like, is complete bs.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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eaglesdare 10 Mar 23 9.42am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why was that? Was it because we let the virus rip through our population and didn't protect them with all available measures, including vaccinations? Or was it kept at a lower level and our health service continued to function because we did? Look at the data from other places. How high does it have to go before you think it is serious? Claiming a 0.9 death rate justifies your anti-vaccine, anti-lockdown, anti-everything other than the ability to do whatever you like, is complete bs. I don't need data to justify my anti-whatever stance. Just common Sense!
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10 Mar 23 9.42am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why was that?

Was it because we let the virus rip through our population and didn't protect them with all available measures, including vaccinations?

Or was it kept at a lower level and our health service continued to function because we did?

Look at the data from other places. How high does it have to go before you think it is serious?

Claiming a 0.9 death rate justifies your anti-vaccine, anti-lockdown, anti-everything other than the ability to do whatever you like, is complete bs.

I don't need data to justify my anti-whatever stance. Just common Sense!

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Mar 23 10.35am
Originally posted by eaglesdare I don't need data to justify my anti-whatever stance. Just common Sense! More bs! There's not an ounce of common sense in the above! When you try to use data to establish a position, you cannot then deny you need it. Logic is obviously not your strong point. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 10 Mar 23 10.35am

Originally posted by eaglesdare

I don't need data to justify my anti-whatever stance. Just common Sense!

More bs! There's not an ounce of common sense in the above!

When you try to use data to establish a position, you cannot then deny you need it.

Logic is obviously not your strong point.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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eaglesdare 10 Mar 23 10.40am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle More bs! There's not an ounce of common sense in the above! When you try to use data to establish a position, you cannot then deny you need it. Logic is obviously not your strong point. I provided you evidence and you immediately dismissed it. So I revert back common sense. Anyways doesn't matter now the covid zero zeolots lost. Better luck in the next "Plandemic"
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10 Mar 23 10.40am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

More bs! There's not an ounce of common sense in the above!

When you try to use data to establish a position, you cannot then deny you need it.

Logic is obviously not your strong point.

I provided you evidence and you immediately dismissed it. So I revert back common sense.

Anyways doesn't matter now the covid zero zeolots lost. Better luck in the next "Plandemic"

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palace99 New Mills 10 Mar 23 11.28am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Yet Keir Starmer agreed with most of the decisions taken in the early days but as they weren't the ones in charge they won't get the flack but the Tories could have made all party decisions and given out the up to date information they had across parliament. Instead they did the opposite and tried to do it all themselves. The Tories have to accept the flack because they essentially excluded everyone from the decision making. They were happy to call out how great they were with the vaccine rollout (although the Brexit argument has been disproved many times) so they need to accept responsibility if they got other things wrong. As for cancer deaths due to lockdowns the UK had/has one of the worst survival rates of most cancers in Europe before covid as we are pretty poor at detecting it. It's the same with waiting list - these were pretty awful before covid. Now they are terrible, but let's not pretend the NHS was in a great position 3 years ago.
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New Mills 10 Mar 23 11.28am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Yet Keir Starmer agreed with most of the decisions taken in the early days but as they weren't the ones in charge they won't get the flack

but the Tories could have made all party decisions and given out the up to date information they had across parliament.

Instead they did the opposite and tried to do it all themselves.

The Tories have to accept the flack because they essentially excluded everyone from the decision making.

They were happy to call out how great they were with the vaccine rollout (although the Brexit argument has been disproved many times) so they need to accept responsibility if they got other things wrong.

As for cancer deaths due to lockdowns the UK had/has one of the worst survival rates of most cancers in Europe before covid as we are pretty poor at detecting it. It's the same with waiting list - these were pretty awful before covid. Now they are terrible, but let's not pretend the NHS was in a great position 3 years ago.

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