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 Tim Gypsy Hill '64  Stoke sub normal 31 Jan 21 10.55pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Try 5+ years Summers will no doubt be fine, eventually, but winters won’t be normal for a while Mail headline today seemed genuinely surprised that social distancing would still be in place this summer. It’s the mail, sure. But let’s be realistic And yes there will of course be ever more mutations but surely the strategy will just be the same as the existing flu jab. New formula each year, annual jabs. May have already been mentioned but it’s interesting to see that flu cases are apparently down 95% - shows how weak it is in comparison to COVID Edited by SW19 CPFC (31 Jan 2021 7.59pm) That may be because only 5% of deaths can't be linked to a positive test within 28 days. Or maybe, being admitted to hospital with 'flu/pneumonia the patient becomes infected with a more serious virus. Or have we become immune to it? I'm just guessing here. Whichever way, 15,000 deaths a year from 'flu ought not to be be classed as "weak". Definitely interesting as to why the 'flu death rate has dropped so much though.
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BlueJay  UK 31 Jan 21 11.03pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
That may be because only 5% of deaths can't be linked to a positive test within 28 days. Or maybe, being admitted to hospital with 'flu/pneumonia the patient becomes infected with a more serious virus. Or have we become immune to it? I'm just guessing here. Whichever way, 15,000 deaths a year from 'flu ought not to be be classed as "weak". Definitely interesting as to why the 'flu death rate has dropped so much though. The most likely primary cause for this is that Covid-19 is much more transmissable than the flu. With such extreme efforts gone into keep the covid number down, it would make sense that the likelihood of catching the flu would reduce even more significantly.
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| Stirlingsays 31 Jan 21 11.09pm |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
That may be because only 5% of deaths can't be linked to a positive test within 28 days. Or maybe, being admitted to hospital with 'flu/pneumonia the patient becomes infected with a more serious virus. Or have we become immune to it? I'm just guessing here. Whichever way, 15,000 deaths a year from 'flu ought not to be be classed as "weak". Definitely interesting as to why the 'flu death rate has dropped so much though. We are seriously living in an era of make believe. Most of us realise that 'cause of death' cannot be reliably attributed to one cause in many cases. There are plenty of cases, especially with the elderly, where there is no one reason death occurs. Yet, both the mainstream media and government are happy to accept that 'with' this Wuhan virus as valid enough to count as 'of' in presentational terms. Common sense tells us that the reason 'flu' has practically disappeared from death certificates is that there is no incentive to write it down on them when 'with' is also there.....which when you're that ill and susceptible will commonly be the case. What is far more realistic is that the flu, with its many variants, has carried on killing the vulnerable or being part of their demise, roughly at the usual rate. Just as it always has....and unfortunately probably always will.
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| BlueJay UK 31 Jan 21 11.13pm |
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Again, as stated:
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| Stirlingsays 31 Jan 21 11.16pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Again, as stated: The most likely primary cause for this is that Covid-19 is much more transmissable than the flu. With such extreme efforts gone into keep the covid number down, it would make sense that the likelihood of catching the flu would reduce even more significantly. Personally I don't think that's possible to do with ill people who will have lowered immune systems. Also, in my view, and just as the flu statistics show, the statistics around this entire area should be treated with caution. Not taken as kosher.....real life isn't an excel spreadsheet and just as the US generals found out in Vietnam....the accuracy of information presented to them has to be gauged and judged within its context, rather than just accepted as reality. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 Jan 2021 11.22pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 31 Jan 21 11.44pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
We are seriously living in an era of make believe. Most of us realise that 'cause of death' cannot be reliably attributed to one cause in many cases. There are plenty of cases, especially with the elderly, where there is no one reason death occurs. Yet, both the mainstream media and government are happy to accept that 'with' this Wuhan virus as valid enough to count as 'of' in presentational terms. Common sense tells us that the reason 'flu' has practically disappeared from death certificates is that there is no incentive to write it down on them when 'with' is also there.....which when you're that ill and susceptible will commonly be the case. What is far more realistic is that the flu, with its many variants, has carried on killing the vulnerable or being part of their demise, roughly at the usual rate. Just as it always has....and unfortunately probably always will.
No. Common sense says people have been social distancing, wearing masks and washing hands.
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| Stirlingsays 01 Feb 21 1.46am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
No. Common sense says people have been social distancing, wearing masks and washing hands.
However, I would accept that this has had an effect on flu infection, just not to a 5 percent extent.
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Teddy Eagle  01 Feb 21 7.19am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I was really impressed with the army of volunteers in Barnes when I had mine. I reckon Brits are brilliant at sorting stuff out. Probably because we never have a plan so are used to making it up as we go along When this is finally over it’d be nice if Rishi Rich could find any way of rewarding the people who’ve done so much to help. Not just the volunteers but also the postmen, shop workers, bus drivers and everyone else who has carried on working throughout. With all the billions spent so far it wouldn’t make a huge difference to his depleted coffers.
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| Teddy Eagle 01 Feb 21 7.24am |
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| Spiderman Horsham 01 Feb 21 8.23am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Have you had yours? The answer is now yes. TBF with his health issues and age he would I imagine be in a high risk category. Edited by Spiderman (01 Feb 2021 8.32am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 01 Feb 21 8.36am |
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Worrying but not unexpected. Part of me says that if anyone doesn't want it so be it, but you just know that as the death toll in their communities rise the NHS and politicians will be accused of racism and not caring.
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| Spiderman Horsham 01 Feb 21 8.41am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Worrying but not unexpected. Part of me says that if anyone doesn't want it so be it, but you just know that as the death toll in their communities rise the NHS and politicians will be accused of racism and not caring. My thoughts exactly. Why are they wary? I have not seen any explanation for it.
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