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Belmont 06 Jun 20 11.33am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I think the negative view might be on angry young black people to be precise. The gobby girls having a go at a policeman for saying all lives matter or young soldiers cleaning a war memorial from graffiti too early and getting their faces all over social media. Most people take people as they find them based on their character and attitude. You might even get some people getting a bit tired that the most important thing to an individual is their skin colour, when the person making the decision hasn’t the time or the same level of interest or involvement in it with however many things going on in their life and work. That’s just a guess but I can imagine a lot will get a bit tired of it or something they’d rather not get involved in because of PC today. I’m personally more interested in how someone sounds in work than their skin tone. The thing I can’t understand is why some articulate young BAME people, including in politics in the media fail or won’t pronounce their T’s, or even just drop the inner London Street accent. There’s the Asian Labour Party activist who cannot ever pronounce a T when saying The Labour Party and there was an articulate young black lady hosting LBC this week. She rang in and made good points to Iain Dale, but then somehow started to get angry with Iain on things he won’t be guilty of put of nowhere. Credit to Iain’s calmness as always. Next evening Iain had her co-host a phone in. They must have refused white callers to prevent any heated arguments and stuck to airing issues. Some good points on black history in education, lack of black people in official institutional bodies and things. But I couldn’t understand why she couldn’t pronounce a ‘T’ again. Do you have a negative view of yourself because of the words and actions of angry white men ( if that is what you are). If the only issue we have is the mis pronouncing of a T I think we are in a good place.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Jun 20 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Apparently even daring to question this notion of 'white privilege' is not allowed anymore. If it’s anything it’s advantaged rather than privileged. White privilege to me makes me think of David Cameron and other Eton boys. There’s been some black peoples listing things that mean you aren’t privileged. Having a mortgage, applying for your jobs. Things like that. This white privilege view will again just turn the majority of white people off who have their own problems. Those start at the bottom with white people on minimum wages.
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Belmont 06 Jun 20 11.36am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Nah. You understand perfectly. Just lack the spine to answer. Fair enough. You can accuse me of what you like but I genuinely don't understand your question and believe me if you clarify I won't lack the spine to answer.
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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 20 11.37am | |
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Originally posted by Belmont
All I read on this forum is emotive language and dancing on a pin is pretty accurate when you don't give a yes or no answer to a yes or no question. I did give you an answer. You want to tie me to your emotive language that I haven't used so that you can claim that's how I view the situation. When it isn't. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2020 11.39am)
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Belmont 06 Jun 20 11.39am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I did give you an answer. You want to tie me to your emotive language I haven't used so that you can claim that's how I view the situation. When it isn't. Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jun 2020 11.38am) Ok so that will be a no then fair enough. It wasn't that hard.
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Matov 06 Jun 20 11.40am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The entire notion of 'white privilege' is based on an assumption of collective responsibility based solely on skin colour. Beyond racist. Ethonist. Not even taking into account different nationalities and history.
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Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jun 20 11.43am | |
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Originally posted by Belmont
So there should be mistrust of the whole of black culture by the actions of some, there is knife crime for sure there are other issues that we could debate for sure but if people have a mis trust of the whole of black culture based on the actions of some that is why people are marching. But hold on. Black people are marching against 'White racism' because of the actions of three people. What is the difference? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Jun 2020 11.44am)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 06 Jun 20 11.45am | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
This seems very worrying...No different view allowed and therefore no debate. The one question I would ask is does anyone think that the lives of black people would be any better outside of the Western World, where so many of their troubles are? Are they be better treated in the Far East? In other words is this purely a white verses black thing? I would honestly like to know if black people suffer as much hurt in other parts of the World. Please keep this debate civil. Part of the grievance is that British and Americans have benefited from black slavery. There’s the difference. It’s a terrible part of history. It’s in the past, although in America there’s some who still view blacks as a lower species. You then have a load of whites, or people of colour, a term I don’t like for a few reasons, in free Britain with all its opportunities, wanting Britain to fall or suffer because of colonialism. Colonialism that would’ve happened by anyone else if Britain wasn’t there first.
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Belmont 06 Jun 20 11.45am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
The entire notion of 'white privilege' is based on an assumption of collective responsibility based solely on skin colour. Beyond racist. Ethonist. Not even taking into account different nationalities and history. Yep that is a stat I have heard of as well and no they shouldn't be ignored as they should have much opportunity as anyone else, basically there should be fair crack for all not based on what anybody looks like or there socially or economic class. I am a bit confused about your second point in relation to me though I haven't even hinted at the notion of white privilege.
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Stirlingsays 06 Jun 20 11.48am | |
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Originally posted by Belmont
Ok so that will be a no then fair enough. It wasn't that hard. If you had read the original post you'd have found that very same word.
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Belmont 06 Jun 20 11.51am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If you had read the original post you'd have found that very same word. Correct placed very subtly.
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Belmont 06 Jun 20 11.54am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
But hold on. Black people are marching against 'White racism' because of the actions of three people. What is the difference? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (06 Jun 2020 11.44am) No black people are marching against your comment about growing up in South London and understanding why people view the whole of the black community the same based on the actions of some AND the actions of three people.
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