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Stirlingsays 27 Oct 17 2.27pm | |
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Originally posted by crystal balls
That story was shown to be total fabrication by Breitbart (and others). What actually occurred was that a Canadian mining company with licence to mine uranium in the USA sold some of those rights to a Russian mining company. The mine in question had the capacity to produce 20% of the uranium mined in the US. The US, however, imports far more uranium than it mines domestically, so the sale would have negligible impact on US uranium stocks. Well, actually what you have described is that the story contains a half truth. So it's just the usual hyperbolic partisan analysis built up around it. Both parties do it and nobody really interested in reasonable interpretations takes partisanship too seriously. It's something when you start trusting Wikileaks more. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Oct 2017 2.28pm)
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jamiemartin721 Reading 27 Oct 17 2.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, actually what you have described is that the story contains a half truth. So it's just the usual hyperbolic partisan analysis built up around it. Both parties do it and nobody really interested in reasonable interpretations takes partisanship too seriously. It's something when you start trusting Wikileaks more. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Oct 2017 2.28pm) It does strike me as odd that the US would be selling uranium to anyone outside of NATO. But its a nothing story first time around, that's just been wacked up from the weeds to try to distract from the kind of s**t the POTUS seems to regularly kick up (Notably I think Flake and Corker, on top of McCain that's a growing concern for the republican party - its not like these guys are liberals, or even democrat leaning Republicans).
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Stuk Top half 27 Oct 17 4.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
The Russia dossier story IS the biggest US political story of the week. It's far bigger than Jeff Flake and Bob Corker ripping Trump, which the BBC made two videos for. Both videos present Flake and Corker's comments with no right of reply from Trump or anyone representing him. That's basic journalism! The DNC lied about the dossier and were involved with the sources from the Russian government. There have been multiple stories reported by the BBC's YouTube page about Trump's involvement with Russia over many, many months, including the fake news about the golden shower in the hotel room – so why not report on this? There were multiple stories from the BBC on Trump Junior meeting Russian officials too. How is it not important to report that the Russia collusion might actually be with the Democrats instead? Why not report it and let the people decide. Any US political party colluding with a foreign govt, especially Russia of all countries is a big, big deal. But the BBC has blocked this on their YouTube page. Trump's rhetoric on locking up Hillary was clearly done to get his crowds going during the election. And make no mistake, Hillary is very lucky because anyone else would have been jailed for her conduct over the emails. I cannot believe you think Hillary allegedly getting paid millions from a Russian company after signing off the uranium deal, Bill getting 500k for a speech and an investigation into it is not big news! Just because the Republicans have started the probe, ah that means it's nothing! Do you realise how corrupt the Clinton Foundation is? Probably not as it's never mentioned on UK media outlets! Funnily enough, the BBC interviewed Hillary to promote her book last week and chatted with her about Weinstein. If she's not in office, and stories about her are not newsworthy, then why is this? The BBC is biased against Trump and staunchly pro Democrat. Again, go on its YouTube page and count up the positive stories on Trump and Hillary/Obama going back before his election even. The facts are there. I feel the BBC has done its job as your comments show how brainwashed you have become by the MSM. Edited by Penge Eagle (27 Oct 2017 11.34am) Why are you using the BBC Youtube page? I wasn't even aware that it existed but the BBC do not produce video content for every story they cover. The story is on the news website here: [Link]
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Stirlingsays 27 Oct 17 4.30pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
It does strike me as odd that the US would be selling uranium to anyone outside of NATO. But its a nothing story first time around, that's just been wacked up from the weeds to try to distract from the kind of s**t the POTUS seems to regularly kick up (Notably I think Flake and Corker, on top of McCain that's a growing concern for the republican party - its not like these guys are liberals, or even democrat leaning Republicans). Yep.....You get the sense that if Trump has a bad mid term that the knifes will be out for more than just dissent. Trump only has himself to blame for poisoning his own well. I'm seeing that he's going to get his tax plans through. Something he can be judged upon at least. As for Clinton...well it's like all these stories...I don't tend to believe them. It's like breaking news...it's the loudest voices that get the most attention while the real story gets revealed later....true in life at all levels.
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Ray in Houston Houston 27 Oct 17 5.17pm | |
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So, the Russia dossier, started life as opposition research by a Republican opponent of Trump in the primary, and was dropped when Trump won the nomination. A Democratic fund raiser picked up the ball and ran with it. Why is this a big deal? So far, while investigating the claims in the dossier, the FBI has failed to debunk anything but has actually confirmed quite a great deal of what is in there. This is not surprising as they have gone for the low hanging fruit first, so it remains to be seen what else will prove out or be debunked. Meanwhile, Trump Jr. took a meeting with Russian spies on the promise of receiving "dirt" on Clinton. The Trump campaign's defense of this: "Who wouldn't?" Exactly. Why is it scream-from-the-rooftops bad that the Clinton campaign wanted a dossier on Trump but it's no big deal that Trump's campaign wanted the same on Clinton?
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 27 Oct 17 7.54pm | |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Why are you using the BBC Youtube page? I wasn't even aware that it existed but the BBC do not produce video content for every story they cover. The story is on the news website here: [Link] You are correct that they do not produce video content for every story they cover. But the video content they do produce portrays no negativity for the Democrats. That is false reporting, whether it's on the YouTube page, the website, their radio shows etc. It's the BBC and it's supposed to be impartial. I am specifically referring to the BBC's YouTube channel which has 1.6 million subscribers around the world. The story was buried, and you know for certain if it involved Trump, then it would have been the top story. And the BBC pumps out fake news like this: Mike Pence ignores Nasa 'do not touch' sign [Link] I mean really?? Edited by Penge Eagle (27 Oct 2017 8.00pm)
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 27 Oct 17 7.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
So, the Russia dossier, started life as opposition research by a Republican opponent of Trump in the primary, and was dropped when Trump won the nomination. A Democratic fund raiser picked up the ball and ran with it. Why is this a big deal? So far, while investigating the claims in the dossier, the FBI has failed to debunk anything but has actually confirmed quite a great deal of what is in there. This is not surprising as they have gone for the low hanging fruit first, so it remains to be seen what else will prove out or be debunked. Meanwhile, Trump Jr. took a meeting with Russian spies on the promise of receiving "dirt" on Clinton. The Trump campaign's defense of this: "Who wouldn't?" Exactly. Why is it scream-from-the-rooftops bad that the Clinton campaign wanted a dossier on Trump but it's no big deal that Trump's campaign wanted the same on Clinton? You could easily argue that neither are big deals. My point is, why does the BBC cover one story and not the other?
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Ray in Houston Houston 27 Oct 17 8.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
You could easily argue that neither are big deals. My point is, why does the BBC cover one story and not the other? One story is about a campaign that hired a political research firm who hired an independent contractor to research their opponent. The other is about the President's son, son-in-law and campaign chairman taking a meeting with Russian spies because they were promised dirt on their opponent that came from a foreign government which was part of that foreign government's aid to the President. All of which was spelled out in the initial email to Trump Jr. Ignoring the broader aspects of the astonishing potential for Russian influence/interference/blackmail, the bottom line is that one is S.O.P. for all candidates while the other is specifically a crime under US election laws. If nothing else, that's why one is newsworthy and the other not. Edited by Ray in Houston (27 Oct 2017 8.14pm)
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 27 Oct 17 8.20pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
It does strike me as odd that the US would be selling uranium to anyone outside of NATO. But its a nothing story first time around, that's just been wacked up from the weeds to try to distract from the kind of s**t the POTUS seems to regularly kick up (Notably I think Flake and Corker, on top of McCain that's a growing concern for the republican party - its not like these guys are liberals, or even democrat leaning Republicans).
Corker and McCain both hate Trump. But Trump should keep his mouth shut and not respond to their criticism, but he can't help himself. Meanwhile, the media lap it up and fuel it. Trump needs to back-slap people to make deals and pass legislation - not blast them. He's supposed to be a deal maker. There are different fractions within the Republican party and has been for a while. They need to focus on policy instead of backbiting. But they can't even agree on how to fix Obamacare so I wouldn't hold out much hope.
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 27 Oct 17 8.26pm | |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
One story is about a campaign that hired a political research firm who hired an independent contractor to research their opponent. The other is about the President's son, son-in-law and campaign chairman taking a meeting with Russian spies because they were promised dirt on their opponent that came from a foreign government which was part of that foreign government's aid to the President. All of which was spelled out in the initial email to Trump Jr. Ignoring the broader aspects of the astonishing potential for Russian influence/interference/blackmail, the bottom line is that one is S.O.P. for all candidates while the other is specifically a crime under US election laws. If nothing else, that's why one is newsworthy and the other not. Edited by Ray in Houston (27 Oct 2017 8.14pm) How can you say that the initial story about the fake dossier was news then because it made Trump look bad. And when new information emerges on it which involves the DNC, it's now not newsworthy? Because it makes the Dems look bad. You can't have it both ways!
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Ray in Houston Houston 27 Oct 17 8.28pm | |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
It does strike me as odd that the US would be selling uranium to anyone outside of NATO. But its a nothing story first time around, that's just been wacked up from the weeds to try to distract from the kind of s**t the POTUS seems to regularly kick up
So, if you want to follow the logic of the conspiracy theory, Canada sold 20% of the US' uranium to Russia. Blame Canada!! Clinton had no involvement in the deal and had no ability to veto it. The only reason it was put on her was because she was the presumptive and then actual Democratic Party nominee.
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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 27 Oct 17 8.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, actually what you have described is that the story contains a half truth. So it's just the usual hyperbolic partisan analysis built up around it. Both parties do it and nobody really interested in reasonable interpretations takes partisanship too seriously. It's something when you start trusting Wikileaks more. Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Oct 2017 2.28pm) But it’s clearly not a ‘half truth’ or anything like it! The ‘story’ that Breits***e put out was that H Clinton ‘sold’ 20% of the US uranium stocks to Russia. That is how Breits***e reported it on their website, which was repeated by numerous other right wing sites.
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