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becky over the moon 18 Jun 17 9.34am | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I was not making a political point. On a human level it would have been better. The Queen judged her visit well. I'm not either, but I somehow have this feeling that whatever was done would have been seen as 'wrong' - too early a visit and it's making political capital, leave it a bit for the essential services to get things under control and it's 'uncaring' and 'unfeeling'. Her Maj, bless her, never gets it wrong!
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Jun 17 10.56am | |
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Originally posted by becky
I'm not either, but I somehow have this feeling that whatever was done would have been seen as 'wrong' - too early a visit and it's making political capital, leave it a bit for the essential services to get things under control and it's 'uncaring' and 'unfeeling'. Her Maj, bless her, never gets it wrong! She did with Diana. But since then, no she hasn't.
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Hrolf The Ganger 18 Jun 17 11.01am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No it shows that people would rather shut down people who point out uncomfortable truths rather than address those truths. The government were told about dangers in Tower blocks [Link] but chose to refuse it. Whether pointing this out makes me a lefty cund is irrelevant, it still shows the governments disregard for the people they are meant to represent. You are being called out because you are totally transparent, as you are on virtually every topic. When you continuously use every thread to promote the Labour party and discredit the government then no one will take anything you say seriously. Your comments on this thread are an obvious attempt to make gain from a tragedy, no matter how you try and spin it, and you would like nothing more that to encourage anti government unrest before any inquest is even begun. You deserve all the criticism you get.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Jun 17 11.10am | |
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Originally posted by Romford-Eagle
I'm pretty sure once the inquest is finished, that the findings will be that the building meets current building standards. It's highly likely the fire spreading up the cladding and in through windows meant - it spread quickly. Nobody knew how extremely hazardous it was. - normal procedure is to stay inside because fires are contained and running down steps into the fire is worse than staying put and waiting or it to be put out. - these 2 factors together meant fatalities. How do you tell 400 people to get out when the fire has already spread because the procedure is to stay inside? I don't like the news mentioning the sister told to stay in by the fire brigade. She was told to because it was at the point they couldn't get to her or do anymore. The news channels don't say this. The fireman told the guy on the ground to tell his sister he loves her on the phone.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Jun 17 11.33am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No it shows that people would rather shut down people who point out uncomfortable truths rather than address those truths. The government were told about dangers in Tower blocks [Link] but chose to refuse it. Whether pointing this out makes me a lefty cund is irrelevant, it still shows the governments disregard for the people they are meant to represent. Nick Robinson has named Labour councils and constituencies, that as expected, have tower blocks with cladding. Barwell should face serious questioning though.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Jun 17 11.52am | |
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Apparently when Grenfell residents checked into local hotels they got £10 from the council. TEN, yes ten pounds. A thorough audit is soon likely in Kensington and Chelsea council.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Jun 17 12.09pm | |
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Reposting from Architects for Social Housing
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 18 Jun 17 12.19pm | |
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Syrian victim Mohammed Alhajali family 'can come to UK' would some of my fellow posters see this as a reason for immigrants to set copy cat fires?
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 18 Jun 17 12.21pm | |
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ A lot of hypocrisy again? Not the angel you thought he and his party were after all then?
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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 17 12.29pm | |
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I doubt that this is a left/right thing. Whatever it was then proper investigations should reveal it. I wouldn't be surprised if the reality is far less ideological than politics. Nick's past cut and paste is far more balanced but I'd rather we moved away from Labour this, Tory that....At least until we know there's a point to it.
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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 17 12.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Apparently when Grenfell residents checked into local hotels they got £10 from the council. TEN, yes ten pounds. A thorough audit is soon likely in Kensington and Chelsea council. Hundreds of thousands has been raised by donations...I have donated, I'm sure many on here have...Why isn't this being used? I would have thought that this is its purpose.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Jun 17 12.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I doubt that this is a left/right thing. Whatever it was then proper investigations should reveal it. I wouldn't be surprised if the reality is far less ideological than politics. Nick's past cut and paste is far more balanced but I'd rather we moved away from Labour this, Tory that....At least until we know there's a point to it.
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