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reborn 16 Mar 05 8.58pm
only when the despot gets involved... My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs
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only when the despot gets involved...

My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs

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roffeyeagle Freedman Wonderland 16 Mar 05 8.59pm
Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 8:47pm Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 8:24pm Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 8:15pm roffeyeagle first brought up Hindus when he said - "Britain is not a Muslim country, it is not a Sikh country, it is not a Hindu country." Basically, if you're not a WASP, FCK OFF! 1. Did I ever say that if you're not a WASP then f off? 2. No, I said why should non-WASPs be allowed to openly practice a religion that does not belong in Britain? 3. Why should non-WASPs be allowed to aggravate British people with their religous antics, if it is not even the home of the religion? It's not only that, but this inept Government are letting them do it, and anything we say that is protecting us is wrong. This is totally fed up. I accept that the world is evolving, people want to make better lives for themselves in wealthier areas. Fair play to you, trying to make the most of what you are. But why should they be allowed to do it at the expense and aggravation of WASPs or any other Christian? They shouldn't, that's my point. 4. It wouldn't be alright if millions of WASPs went over to *stan and starting building churches, having anti-Islamic marches, burning the stani Flag and started openly practicing Christianity in **stan would it? No. Edited by roffeyeagle (16 Mar 2005 8:31pm) 1. No, which is why I put that bit outside the quotation marks. You could make a case for it being implied, though. 2. Who exactly decides what religion 'belongs in Britain' then? You? 3. If people are so bigoted that other people's different religions 'aggravate' them, then that's their own problem. 4. This point implies that millions of non-WASPS in Britain go around burning the Union Jack and declaiming Christianity. Do you honestly believe that? 1) Feel free. 2) Britain is a Protestant country, always has been (since the 1500s) and probably always will be. I accept that there are many Catholics living in Britain so Britain, without doubt, is a Christian country. Christianity belongs in Britain. I accept people want a better standard of living, and since Britain is one of the more developed countries in the world it is popular (especially with our lapse immigration laws), and they are not going to chuck in their beliefs because of that. These people, the majority do I accept, should respect the British culture and tradition like we should do when we visit another country. 3) It could be there own problem, but they shouldn't have to subjected to it in the first place. 4) Obviously not. I came across wrong in that point. 'Happy being mediocre; if you've got no targets, you can't fail' - Mantra for life and Palace. Feel free to check out the Expat Eagles Facebook Group [Link] Viva la revolution!
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Freedman Wonderland 16 Mar 05 8.59pm

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Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 8:15pm

roffeyeagle first brought up Hindus when he said - "Britain is not a Muslim country, it is not a Sikh country, it is not a Hindu country."

Basically, if you're not a WASP, F*CK OFF!

1. Did I ever say that if you're not a WASP then f*** off?

2. No, I said why should non-WASPs be allowed to openly practice a religion that does not belong in Britain?

3. Why should non-WASPs be allowed to aggravate British people with their religous antics, if it is not even the home of the religion? It's not only that, but this inept Government are letting them do it, and anything we say that is protecting us is wrong. This is totally f***ed up.

I accept that the world is evolving, people want to make better lives for themselves in wealthier areas. Fair play to you, trying to make the most of what you are. But why should they be allowed to do it at the expense and aggravation of WASPs or any other Christian? They shouldn't, that's my point.

4. It wouldn't be alright if millions of WASPs went over to ****stan and starting building churches, having anti-Islamic marches, burning the ****stani Flag and started openly practicing Christianity in ****stan would it? No.

Edited by roffeyeagle (16 Mar 2005 8:31pm)

1. No, which is why I put that bit outside the quotation marks. You could make a case for it being implied, though.

2. Who exactly decides what religion 'belongs in Britain' then? You?

3. If people are so bigoted that other people's different religions 'aggravate' them, then that's their own problem.

4. This point implies that millions of non-WASPS in Britain go around burning the Union Jack and declaiming Christianity. Do you honestly believe that?

1) Feel free.

2) Britain is a Protestant country, always has been (since the 1500s) and probably always will be. I accept that there are many Catholics living in Britain so Britain, without doubt, is a Christian country. Christianity belongs in Britain. I accept people want a better standard of living, and since Britain is one of the more developed countries in the world it is popular (especially with our lapse immigration laws), and they are not going to chuck in their beliefs because of that. These people, the majority do I accept, should respect the British culture and tradition like we should do when we visit another country.

3) It could be there own problem, but they shouldn't have to subjected to it in the first place.

4) Obviously not. I came across wrong in that point.

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roffeyeagle Freedman Wonderland 16 Mar 05 9.01pm
Quote jcreedy at 16 Mar 2005 8:50pm The subject of religion even makes members of a Crystal Palace FC supporters website swear at, argue with and abuse each other. That says it all really Well I'd rather argue about something relevant then a lot of the crap that gets posted on HOL these days... It's not getting personal........ ........ yet 'Happy being mediocre; if you've got no targets, you can't fail' - Mantra for life and Palace. Feel free to check out the Expat Eagles Facebook Group [Link] Viva la revolution!
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Quote jcreedy at 16 Mar 2005 8:50pm

The subject of religion even makes members of a Crystal Palace FC supporters website swear at, argue with and abuse each other. That says it all really

Well I'd rather argue about something relevant then a lot of the crap that gets posted on HOL these days...

It's not getting personal........

........ yet

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the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 16 Mar 05 9.07pm
Freedom of religious practice is an important part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Ask me about Ronald de Boer.
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Freedom of religious practice is an important part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

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roffeyeagle Freedman Wonderland 16 Mar 05 9.11pm
Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 9:07pm Freedom of religious practice is an important part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Then there would be anarchy! Religion causes conflict, look at the trouble in the Middle-East, why did 9/11 happen? It all relates to religous tension. 'Happy being mediocre; if you've got no targets, you can't fail' - Mantra for life and Palace. Feel free to check out the Expat Eagles Facebook Group [Link] Viva la revolution!
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Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 9:07pm

Freedom of religious practice is an important part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Then there would be anarchy! Religion causes conflict, look at the trouble in the Middle-East, why did 9/11 happen? It all relates to religous tension.

'Happy being mediocre; if you've got no targets, you can't fail' - Mantra for life and Palace.

Feel free to check out the Expat Eagles Facebook Group [Link]

Viva la revolution!

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SpikeyMatt Fishing for condiments 16 Mar 05 9.13pm
What's a WASP.... Just thought I'd add my two cents by saying that Twitter! [Tweet Link] Justin Bieber: the singing amoeba
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What's a WASP....

Just thought I'd add my two cents by saying that

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woodsy375 Woking, Surrey 16 Mar 05 9.15pm
Quote SpikeyMatt at 16 Mar 2005 9:13pm What's a WASP.... Just thought I'd add my two cents by saying that White Anglo-saxon protestant "I like his films as much as getting an arrow through the neck..................and then discovering there's a gas bill tied to it." [Link] - GEOFF THOMAS FUND
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Quote SpikeyMatt at 16 Mar 2005 9:13pm

What's a WASP....

Just thought I'd add my two cents by saying that

White Anglo-saxon protestant

"I like his films as much as getting an arrow through the neck..................and then discovering there's a gas bill tied to it."

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the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 16 Mar 05 9.24pm
Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 9:11pm Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 9:07pm Freedom of religious practice is an important part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Then there would be anarchy! Religion causes conflict, look at the trouble in the Middle-East, why did 9/11 happen? It all relates to religous tension. Amazing! You've just dismissed freedom of religious practice as outlined in one of the most venerable documents on human rights - congratulations! What do you suggest then? Killing everyone in the world who harbours a religious belief? That seems to be the only way to stop this 'anarchy' you talk about... Ask me about Ronald de Boer.
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Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 9:11pm

Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 9:07pm

Freedom of religious practice is an important part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Then there would be anarchy! Religion causes conflict, look at the trouble in the Middle-East, why did 9/11 happen? It all relates to religous tension.

Amazing! You've just dismissed freedom of religious practice as outlined in one of the most venerable documents on human rights - congratulations!

What do you suggest then? Killing everyone in the world who harbours a religious belief? That seems to be the only way to stop this 'anarchy' you talk about...

Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 16 Mar 05 9.26pm
I'd say that, given the increasing dis-satisfaction with the material and selfish world we live in, religion has perhaps never been more important. I'm not sure that this thread was intended to be a Christian v muslim debate but the truth is that religion, throughout history, has flourished most strongly amnongst the disadvantaged and disaffected. The more downtrodden people become (or feel they become), the more extreme they're prepared to be, as evidenced by the willingness of so many Palestinians to die for what they believe in. Church of England attendances (the C of E was founded in the reign of Edward VI, not Henry VIII, by the way) are at an all time low because, as Rach has said, it will not publicly stand up for what it believes. Roman Catholicism, too, has seen an increasing number of adherents pay little more than lip service to its central doctrine and beliefs because it continually shies away from the very issues it should be publicly addressing . The countries where Catholicism is at its strongest is in poorer countries, such as in South America, where poverty and exploitation of the many by the few is the norm. In the more 'civilised', Western countries, Christianity in all its forms has had its balls cut off for the simple reason that people don't think they need it. Consumerism is the new religion. There are many who argue that the decline in religion has co-incided with the break up of the traditional family unit. The increasing number of single parent families and the rise in petty crime committed by children from homes where there is no stable parental influence are social phenomena that simply can't be ignored. In the past, strict religious upbringing precluded such behaviour. Marriage was considered sacred and a commitment for life and not something to walk away from simply because one or other of them got pssed off with it. One of the main reasons why islam is taking such a hold in this country is because it places great emphasis on the security and stability of the family unit; the academic achievements of students from such backgrounds, I believe, far outstrip (pro rata) those of the indigenous population and the culture of the extended family is also far more deeply ingrained. It doesn't take a genius to work out that a strong, secure, family based society will prevail over one as disjointed, shallow and uncaring as ours has become. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham*
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Clapham on the Back 16 Mar 05 9.26pm

I'd say that, given the increasing dis-satisfaction with the material and selfish world we live in, religion has perhaps never been more important. I'm not sure that this thread was intended to be a Christian v muslim debate but the truth is that religion, throughout history, has flourished most strongly amnongst the disadvantaged and disaffected. The more downtrodden people become (or feel they become), the more extreme they're prepared to be, as evidenced by the willingness of so many Palestinians to die for what they believe in.

Church of England attendances (the C of E was founded in the reign of Edward VI, not Henry VIII, by the way) are at an all time low because, as Rach has said, it will not publicly stand up for what it believes. Roman Catholicism, too, has seen an increasing number of adherents pay little more than lip service to its central doctrine and beliefs because it continually shies away from the very issues it should be publicly addressing . The countries where Catholicism is at its strongest is in poorer countries, such as in South America, where poverty and exploitation of the many by the few is the norm. In the more 'civilised', Western countries, Christianity in all its forms has had its balls cut off for the simple reason that people don't think they need it. Consumerism is the new religion.

There are many who argue that the decline in religion has co-incided with the break up of the traditional family unit. The increasing number of single parent families and the rise in petty crime committed by children from homes where there is no stable parental influence are social phenomena that simply can't be ignored. In the past, strict religious upbringing precluded such behaviour. Marriage was considered sacred and a commitment for life and not something to walk away from simply because one or other of them got p*ssed off with it. One of the main reasons why islam is taking such a hold in this country is because it places great emphasis on the security and stability of the family unit; the academic achievements of students from such backgrounds, I believe, far outstrip (pro rata) those of the indigenous population and the culture of the extended family is also far more deeply ingrained. It doesn't take a genius to work out that a strong, secure, family based society will prevail over one as disjointed, shallow and uncaring as ours has become.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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roffeyeagle Freedman Wonderland 16 Mar 05 9.27pm
Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 9:24pm Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 9:11pm Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 9:07pm Freedom of religious practice is an important part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Then there would be anarchy! Religion causes conflict, look at the trouble in the Middle-East, why did 9/11 happen? It all relates to religous tension. Amazing! You've just dismissed freedom of religious practice as outlined in one of the most venerable documents on human rights - congratulations! What do you suggest then? Killing everyone in the world who harbours a religious belief? That seems to be the only way to stop this 'anarchy' you talk about... That's bollocks, you can believe in whichever religion you want, that's right. But doing this where other, completely different religions are based will cause anarchy, it will cause tension. In modern society relgious groups are inter-mixed, there is no way that religions can show such openness in today's world, and it is naive to think so. Edited by roffeyeagle (16 Mar 2005 9:30pm) 'Happy being mediocre; if you've got no targets, you can't fail' - Mantra for life and Palace. Feel free to check out the Expat Eagles Facebook Group [Link] Viva la revolution!
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Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 9:24pm

Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 9:11pm

Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 9:07pm

Freedom of religious practice is an important part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Then there would be anarchy! Religion causes conflict, look at the trouble in the Middle-East, why did 9/11 happen? It all relates to religous tension.

Amazing! You've just dismissed freedom of religious practice as outlined in one of the most venerable documents on human rights - congratulations!

What do you suggest then? Killing everyone in the world who harbours a religious belief? That seems to be the only way to stop this 'anarchy' you talk about...

That's bollocks, you can believe in whichever religion you want, that's right. But doing this where other, completely different religions are based will cause anarchy, it will cause tension. In modern society relgious groups are inter-mixed, there is no way that religions can show such openness in today's world, and it is naive to think so.

Edited by roffeyeagle (16 Mar 2005 9:30pm)

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roffeyeagle Freedman Wonderland 16 Mar 05 9.34pm
Cucking, Henry VIII wanted to divorce to his first wife, Catherine of Aragon, but the Pope wouldn't allow him to. Hence he switched to the Church of England so he could get a divorce. 'Happy being mediocre; if you've got no targets, you can't fail' - Mantra for life and Palace. Feel free to check out the Expat Eagles Facebook Group [Link] Viva la revolution!
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Cucking, Henry VIII wanted to divorce to his first wife, Catherine of Aragon, but the Pope wouldn't allow him to. Hence he switched to the Church of England so he could get a divorce.

'Happy being mediocre; if you've got no targets, you can't fail' - Mantra for life and Palace.

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the despotic banana Dept. of Baboon Maintenance 16 Mar 05 9.37pm
Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 9:27pm Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 9:24pm Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 9:11pm Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 9:07pm Freedom of religious practice is an important part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Then there would be anarchy! Religion causes conflict, look at the trouble in the Middle-East, why did 9/11 happen? It all relates to religous tension. Amazing! You've just dismissed freedom of religious practice as outlined in one of the most venerable documents on human rights - congratulations! What do you suggest then? Killing everyone in the world who harbours a religious belief? That seems to be the only way to stop this 'anarchy' you talk about... That's bollocks, you can believe in whichever religion you want, that's right. But doing this where other, completely different religions are based will cause anarchy, it will cause tension. In modern society relgious groups are inter-mixed, there is no way that religions can show such openness in today's world, and it is naive to think so. Edited by roffeyeagle (16 Mar 2005 9:30pm) The Universal Declaration of Human Rights may not be a legally-binding document, but it was drafted way back in 1948, and has since been the basis for other (legally-binding) human rights covenants. So, by your reckoning, given that people of different religions have been living side-by-side for many, many years, we must have been living in anarchy without noticing it... Ask me about Ronald de Boer.
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Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 9:27pm

Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 9:24pm

Quote roffeyeagle at 16 Mar 2005 9:11pm

Quote the despotic banana at 16 Mar 2005 9:07pm

Freedom of religious practice is an important part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Then there would be anarchy! Religion causes conflict, look at the trouble in the Middle-East, why did 9/11 happen? It all relates to religous tension.

Amazing! You've just dismissed freedom of religious practice as outlined in one of the most venerable documents on human rights - congratulations!

What do you suggest then? Killing everyone in the world who harbours a religious belief? That seems to be the only way to stop this 'anarchy' you talk about...

Edited by roffeyeagle (16 Mar 2005 9:30pm)

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights may not be a legally-binding document, but it was drafted way back in 1948, and has since been the basis for other (legally-binding) human rights covenants. So, by your reckoning, given that people of different religions have been living side-by-side for many, many years, we must have been living in anarchy without noticing it...

Ask me about Ronald de Boer.

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