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 Badger11  Beckenham 31 Jul 24 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I don't think it's a desirable outcome, but I also don't think it warrants a 5-year prison sentence. How many emergency services do you think were delayed last night? Reports of 50+ police officers suffering injuries, major damage to public property... there's no logic that says blocking traffic is worse than that, but I've no doubt the sentences won't come close. That's my point. I think the judge showed commendable restrain to the antics they got up to in court and outside of court on social media. In some cases this verged on jury intimidation and the police should be investigating them for that. I believe all the accused were on parole for previous actions which they al broke. This isn't a case of jailing someone for protesting. They broke the law were released on condition they didn't do it again they then repeatedly did this all of which the judge took into account. You should read what they got up to during the trial. You cannot have people flouting the law and the jury system otherwise everyone will be at it.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 31 Jul 24 12.48pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I don't think it's a desirable outcome, but I also don't think it warrants a 5-year prison sentence. How many emergency services do you think were delayed last night? Reports of 50+ police officers suffering injuries, major damage to public property... there's no logic that says blocking traffic is worse than that, but I've no doubt the sentences won't come close. That's my point. Conflating Southport and JSO makes no sense and does not answer the question but that's up to you. I try to address each issue on it's merits rather than conflate to follow an ideological narrative. I hope you're never stuck in traffic with a life threatening medical condition and you the worst happens cos JSO are blocking the traffic.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 31 Jul 24 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Conflating Southport and JSO makes no sense and does not answer the question but that's up to you. I try to address each issue on it's merits rather than conflate to follow an ideological narrative. I hope you're never stuck in traffic with a life threatening medical condition and you the worst happens cos JSO are blocking the traffic. Why doesn't comparing two protests make sense?
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 31 Jul 24 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I'll wager you that the protesters will not serve long terms. I'd say a few months or year at most. I'd also wager that they'll be let out on the quiet and will sign non-disclosure agreements or be threatened with being kept in. This is to make Labour look tough - basically political in the wider sense. I agree, and that's essentially what I'm getting at.
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 31 Jul 24 1.04pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Why doesn't comparing two protests make sense? If you want to compare two protests, compare the incident in Southport with the incident in Leeds. The latter involved the authorities trying to take some children into care; the former was in response to at least three children being knifed to death. The Southport response seems quite restrained compared with the Leeds one, yet nobody died in Leeds.
hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing. |
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 31 Jul 24 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
If you want to compare two protests, compare the incident in Southport with the incident in Leeds. The latter involved the authorities trying to take some children into care; the former was in response to at least three children being knifed to death. The Southport response seems quite restrained compared with the Leeds one, yet nobody died in Leeds. That doesn't answer my question - you just seem to be agreeing that you can in fact compare protests. I don't agree there was much restrained about yesterday.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 31 Jul 24 1.32pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I agree, and that's essentially what I'm getting at. Labour/Tory parties of Law and Order. Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. Monty Python at their best.
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 31 Jul 24 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I don't think it's a desirable outcome, but I also don't think it warrants a 5-year prison sentence. How many emergency services do you think were delayed last night? Reports of 50+ police officers suffering injuries, major damage to public property... there's no logic that says blocking traffic is worse than that, but I've no doubt the sentences won't come close. That's my point. My view is that the protests blocking motorways are effectively forcibly imprisoning thousands of motorists. A five year sentence seems lenient where people have been involved in previous protests and warned. An alternative would be for some form of class action against the individuals or the organisation involved. They will have no money to pay of course, but winding up orders against JSO etc. would be fun to watch.
hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing. |
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 31 Jul 24 2.55pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
My view is that the protests blocking motorways are effectively forcibly imprisoning thousands of motorists. A five year sentence seems lenient where people have been involved in previous protests and warned. An alternative would be for some form of class action against the individuals or the organisation involved. They will have no money to pay of course, but winding up orders against JSO etc. would be fun to watch. And my view is that attacking the police, smashing the s*** out of a town and vandalising public and private property is a far worse offence, and that's without me inventing dramatic descriptions of what they're doing.
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| CrazyBadger Ware 31 Jul 24 3.19pm |
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There is no reason whatsoever for either scenes we saw at Leeds or Southport. Violence and Burning buses/cars/anything is almost always unjustifiable and should be met with whatever the courts can throw at them. Repeat offenders should be given heavier sentences. There seems to be a growing problem where this Country does not have the capacity or capability to deal with these societal issues. I'm sure you can blame that on a multitude of things; less police, crowded prisons, social media incitement or general disdain for the rule.
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 31 Jul 24 4.53pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
And my view is that attacking the police, smashing the s*** out of a town and vandalising public and private property is a far worse offence, and that's without me inventing dramatic descriptions of what they're doing. Perhaps the police should have stepped back like they did in Leeds initially. I didn't say I agreed with the Southport riot, I implied that I could understand why it happened due to the perceived inbalance that the authorities apply to different situations involving different segments of the community.
hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing. |
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 31 Jul 24 10.50pm |
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I have a premonition I will be at a UK airport carrying hot coffee in each hand will stumble over JSO cultisys and my coffee will go all over them. Hope it doesn't come true, what a waste of coffee
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