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georgenorman 15 Jun 24 10.32am | |
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All this nonsense that there are no English, just people and no white people, etc, is the same mindset that says there are no men or women, just people. Presumably there are no Crystal Palace fans - just football fans.
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Badger11 Beckenham 15 Jun 24 10.36am | |
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England is a nation that has existed for a thousand years. It's a disgrace that the elite are trying to replace it first with British and then European. Scotland became a nation around the same time as England yet I don't see anyone declaring no such thing as Scottish.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Jun 24 10.36am | |
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Coleen Rooney would be regarded as an Englishwoman in Ireland, in spite of her protestations to the contrary. Similarly we often get a Mr O'Reilly from New York with 4 irish grandparents. He is a Yank. same as James Galdalfini when visiting Naples.....he is a yank. Even though he had fluent Italian. Language & accent all matter. You say 'you must have English DNA' ....i say partly, but also.. 'you must be accepted by the locals in the pub, as English' Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jun 2024 10.48am)
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jun 24 10.43am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I saw your post and laughed out loud. You do realise that Cornwall is not a country? I wondered how long it would be before being “white” crept into the argument. Creepy being entirely appropriate! So because I have a French grandmother I am now to be regarded as “mostly English”! That must mean everyone, you included, are only “mostly English” because it’s a nailed on certainly that everyone has many strands in their bloodline which originate in another country. Many not that long ago! We are all partly “something else” by this definition. Everyone of us. Which means in your eyes the English don’t exist! Glad we cleared that up! I have no problem at all with anyone being proud of English culture, heritage and history. How they acquire that pride is a matter for them. Not anyone else. I know you have a problem accepting that Northern Europeans are White. You also seem to have a problem people who are White and like it. A bit sad really. So your self loathing aside, there is no doubt that the question of Englishness becomes more complex when you introduce people of mixed race or nationality. Cutting through all your bulls***, the simple fact is that the vast majority of people in Britain can trace their heritage back through thousands of years. Obviously, when Europe was one landmass, people could wander across it. Since that time our genetic make up has been changed, in small degrees by European invasions. Now if you want to simply be perceived as 'English' you need to speak English, adopt English customs and culture, support English sports teams, refer to yourself as an Englishman, not adhere to religions or behaviour that is anti English or runs counter to our Christian based values. Your ethnicity is not necessarily a factor, but it helps to be recognised as English if you look like an Englishman. Some well known examples were not Northern European but were perceived as English. Some people not born in England have been considered English by parentage. In the end, most English want to preserve the England they had and reject the schisms, backward alien religions, the crime, the violence and the endless nonsense about racial etiquette that mass immigration has brought us.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Jun 24 10.57am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Now if you want to simply be perceived as 'English' you need to speak English, adopt English customs and culture, support English sports teams, refer to yourself as an Englishman, not adhere to religions or behaviour that is anti English or runs counter to our Christian based values. Christianity ? the Romans imported it from the Middle East. After murdering all our Druids. hence, the other Middle East Religion (Islam) could be regarded as quintessentially English ? in another thousand years ? no thanks. Northern Ireland , a sectarian religious conflict. Catholic = irish. Protestant = British. Notwithstanding Tony Blair and a ton of British Elites being Catholic. Nor a significant amount of IRA types actually being Protestant for the last few hundred years. Fellas like Wolfe Tone. Religions cause more wars than they ever solve. Being Christian doesnt make you English. Half the planet is Christian. Tons of English people are atheists or 'other'.
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jun 24 11.03am | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Christianity ? the Romans imported it from the Middle East. After murdering all our Druids. hence, the other Middle East Religion (Islam) could be regarded as quintessentially English ? in another thousand years ? no thanks. Northern Ireland , a sectarian religious conflict. Catholic = irish. Protestant = British. Notwithstanding Tony Blair and a ton of British Elites being Catholic. Nor a significant amount of IRA types actually being Protestant for the last few hundred years. Fellas like Wolfe Tone. Religions cause more wars than they ever solve. If you read again, you will see that I said Christian based. I reject all religion. However, one cannot simply ignore the cultural and moral influence that is the basis for much that is 'English'.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Jun 24 11.12am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
one cannot simply ignore the cultural and moral influence that is the basis for much that is 'English'. The Spanish, living in Benidorm, would characterise English behaviour as vomiting & fighting in the street. Followed by defecation and copulation. The next morning being stupid with the wallet and overpaying for everything. The Polish would characterise English morals as allowing your sister to run off with a new fella. A fella who will never share his sister with you. Our Islamic friends, in the Middle East, take a very dim view of our morals. Somewhere between Oliver Reed, Lily Savage, and a p*** star. With a tad of Tony Blair carpet-bombing thrown in for good measure. The Scottish view is even more pessimistic than all of these. Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jun 2024 11.21am)
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jun 24 11.16am | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
The Spanish, living in Benidorm, would characterise English behaviour as vomiting & fighting in the street. Followed by defecation and copulation. The Polish would characterise English morals as allowing your sister to run off with a new fella. A fella who will never share his sister with you. Like most humans, the English don't always practice what they or anyone else preaches. Don't get the idea that I like all Englishmen. I avoid the fookers on holiday.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Jun 24 11.26am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
the women are even worse than the men
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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Jun 24 11.55am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I wondered how long it would be before being “white” crept into the argument. Compare and contrast the English football team with Every team from Eastern Europe. Our friends in the ex Soviet Union could be forgiven for mistaking the English team for the French team. And of course the football team is a metaphor for the whole nation. All racism disappears when the good wee lad scores a goal. English identity ? you are not English if you support a shyte team like Scotland. Nor if you support a successful team like Brazil. Since 1966, always the bridesmaid, but never the bride. Like Tim Henman, waving the flag proudly. All the way to the Semi-finals. Edited by PalazioVecchio (15 Jun 2024 12.26pm)
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Jun 24 12.00pm | |
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I'm watching Trooping the Colour currently.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 15 Jun 24 12.59pm | |
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English identity ? here is a take from Mr Powell.....
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