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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What complete and utter codswallop. Any government will be criticised by its opponents. The electorate will always complain about something. The young voter gets old and wiser. They usually become more conservative as they age. A centrist like you is happy to endure anything as long as no one makes a fuss. He is a left wing extremist in centrist clothing.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What complete and utter codswallop. Any government will be criticised by its opponents. The electorate will always complain about something. The young voter gets old and wiser. They usually become more conservative as they age. A centrist like you is happy to endure anything as long as no one makes a fuss. I think this is becoming your knee jerk reaction to anything WE says. On his post, I agree with his first paragraph. People on here have commented that we are going against the trend of swinging right to "left" (if you can call them that?) while the rest of Europe swings the other way. However, you could equally argue that we were ahead of that curve given the nature of the party that took power in 2019. There are a number of issues I have with the current "right" in this country, but we overwhelmingly elected a populist, nationalist right wing party on a mandate of curbing migration and getting Brexit done. They have been singularly incompetent at delivering on either. It is not their fault. The populist right is, in essence, innately low intellect and the scrapings of the barrel when it comes to prudent government. As Frankie Howard used to say, you can't mock the afflicted. The Truss mini budget is just the obvious nadir of their mismanagement and the people have had enough. They will mainly vote Labour as the most effective way of ending this 5 year experiment, or (like most on here it would seem) vote Reform as they have not given up on those twin objectives. True to the nature of parties like Reform, if they came to power they would operate at the level of most single issue, nationalist parties. That is, of the level of the outgoing Tories save with out their competence! If you think the Truss mini budget was bad, wait till Reform get their hands on the tiller. It will be the same across Europe. A dream of effective border control and de facto ethnic cleansing through strict migration policy will be shattered by a party that causes economic downturn, a reduction in tax revenues and an inability to maintain essential services let alone fund this great purge of the migrant. People will realise what they ought to have seen but for the haze of hope. Populism = easy solutions for really difficult problems. If you want more money in your pocket, a better lifestyle and as close to optimal border control as is realistically possible, you would have been better off voting centrist right. The problem is Europe needs to have their 5 years to personally feel that pain before that penny drops.
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Originally posted by silvertop
I think this is becoming your knee jerk reaction to anything WE says. On his post, I agree with his first paragraph. People on here have commented that we are going against the trend of swinging right to "left" (if you can call them that?) while the rest of Europe swings the other way. However, you could equally argue that we were ahead of that curve given the nature of the party that took power in 2019. There are a number of issues I have with the current "right" in this country, but we overwhelmingly elected a populist, nationalist right wing party on a mandate of curbing migration and getting Brexit done. They have been singularly incompetent at delivering on either. It is not their fault. The populist right is, in essence, innately low intellect and the scrapings of the barrel when it comes to prudent government. As Frankie Howard used to say, you can't mock the afflicted. The Truss mini budget is just the obvious nadir of their mismanagement and the people have had enough. They will mainly vote Labour as the most effective way of ending this 5 year experiment, or (like most on here it would seem) vote Reform as they have not given up on those twin objectives. True to the nature of parties like Reform, if they came to power they would operate at the level of most single issue, nationalist parties. That is, of the level of the outgoing Tories save with out their competence! If you think the Truss mini budget was bad, wait till Reform get their hands on the tiller. It will be the same across Europe. A dream of effective border control and de facto ethnic cleansing through strict migration policy will be shattered by a party that causes economic downturn, a reduction in tax revenues and an inability to maintain essential services let alone fund this great purge of the migrant. People will realise what they ought to have seen but for the haze of hope. Populism = easy solutions for really difficult problems. If you want more money in your pocket, a better lifestyle and as close to optimal border control as is realistically possible, you would have been better off voting centrist right. The problem is Europe needs to have their 5 years to personally feel that pain before that penny drops. It's entirely understandable and usually warranted. The second highlight is your knee jerk abusive reaction to people voting in their droves against the ideas of the likes of you, Wisbech and Steeleye. Edited by georgenorman (10 Jun 2024 5.08pm)
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Originally posted by silvertop
I think this is becoming your knee jerk reaction to anything WE says. On his post, I agree with his first paragraph. People on here have commented that we are going against the trend of swinging right to "left" (if you can call them that?) while the rest of Europe swings the other way. However, you could equally argue that we were ahead of that curve given the nature of the party that took power in 2019. There are a number of issues I have with the current "right" in this country, but we overwhelmingly elected a populist, nationalist right wing party on a mandate of curbing migration and getting Brexit done. They have been singularly incompetent at delivering on either. It is not their fault. The populist right is, in essence, innately low intellect and the scrapings of the barrel when it comes to prudent government. As Frankie Howard used to say, you can't mock the afflicted. The Truss mini budget is just the obvious nadir of their mismanagement and the people have had enough. They will mainly vote Labour as the most effective way of ending this 5 year experiment, or (like most on here it would seem) vote Reform as they have not given up on those twin objectives. True to the nature of parties like Reform, if they came to power they would operate at the level of most single issue, nationalist parties. That is, of the level of the outgoing Tories save with out their competence! If you think the Truss mini budget was bad, wait till Reform get their hands on the tiller. It will be the same across Europe. A dream of effective border control and de facto ethnic cleansing through strict migration policy will be shattered by a party that causes economic downturn, a reduction in tax revenues and an inability to maintain essential services let alone fund this great purge of the migrant. People will realise what they ought to have seen but for the haze of hope. Populism = easy solutions for really difficult problems. If you want more money in your pocket, a better lifestyle and as close to optimal border control as is realistically possible, you would have been better off voting centrist right. The problem is Europe needs to have their 5 years to personally feel that pain before that penny drops. Im sensing much cope and seethe on here from you recently. Politics not going your way is it Edited by Ouzo Dan (10 Jun 2024 5.47pm)
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Originally posted by silvertop
I think this is becoming your knee jerk reaction to anything WE says. On his post, I agree with his first paragraph. People on here have commented that we are going against the trend of swinging right to "left" (if you can call them that?) while the rest of Europe swings the other way. However, you could equally argue that we were ahead of that curve given the nature of the party that took power in 2019. There are a number of issues I have with the current "right" in this country, but we overwhelmingly elected a populist, nationalist right wing party on a mandate of curbing migration and getting Brexit done. They have been singularly incompetent at delivering on either. It is not their fault. The populist right is, in essence, innately low intellect and the scrapings of the barrel when it comes to prudent government. As Frankie Howard used to say, you can't mock the afflicted. The Truss mini budget is just the obvious nadir of their mismanagement and the people have had enough. They will mainly vote Labour as the most effective way of ending this 5 year experiment, or (like most on here it would seem) vote Reform as they have not given up on those twin objectives. True to the nature of parties like Reform, if they came to power they would operate at the level of most single issue, nationalist parties. That is, of the level of the outgoing Tories save with out their competence! If you think the Truss mini budget was bad, wait till Reform get their hands on the tiller. It will be the same across Europe. A dream of effective border control and de facto ethnic cleansing through strict migration policy will be shattered by a party that causes economic downturn, a reduction in tax revenues and an inability to maintain essential services let alone fund this great purge of the migrant. People will realise what they ought to have seen but for the haze of hope. Populism = easy solutions for really difficult problems. If you want more money in your pocket, a better lifestyle and as close to optimal border control as is realistically possible, you would have been better off voting centrist right. The problem is Europe needs to have their 5 years to personally feel that pain before that penny drops. Firstly, my reaction to Wisbech's posts are a result of reading them. British politics has it's own dynamic. We have had a Tory governmenty for 14 years. Given that, it is harly surprising that after a damed if you do, damed if you don't pandemic, a rocky global economic situation and the huge discontent around the country regarding all things immigration, the Tories were always likely to get a hiding. How well right wing parties do across Europe, including Britain depends on their electoral systems. We all know that the further right parties would command far more influence with different voting systems.
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Im sensing much cope and seethe on here from you recently. Politics not going your way is it Edited by Ouzo Dan (10 Jun 2024 5.47pm) Going OK thanks. Centre right in control across Europe and just about to come into power here albeit in a shabby, low cost version masquerading behind the red rose. Have you noticed the flag of the Union now appearing as part of The Labour flag?
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Originally posted by silvertop
I think this is becoming your knee jerk reaction to anything WE says. On his post, I agree with his first paragraph. People on here have commented that we are going against the trend of swinging right to "left" (if you can call them that?) while the rest of Europe swings the other way. However, you could equally argue that we were ahead of that curve given the nature of the party that took power in 2019. There are a number of issues I have with the current "right" in this country, but we overwhelmingly elected a populist, nationalist right wing party on a mandate of curbing migration and getting Brexit done. They have been singularly incompetent at delivering on either. It is not their fault. The populist right is, in essence, innately low intellect and the scrapings of the barrel when it comes to prudent government. As Frankie Howard used to say, you can't mock the afflicted. The Truss mini budget is just the obvious nadir of their mismanagement and the people have had enough. They will mainly vote Labour as the most effective way of ending this 5 year experiment, or (like most on here it would seem) vote Reform as they have not given up on those twin objectives. True to the nature of parties like Reform, if they came to power they would operate at the level of most single issue, nationalist parties. That is, of the level of the outgoing Tories save with out their competence! If you think the Truss mini budget was bad, wait till Reform get their hands on the tiller. It will be the same across Europe. A dream of effective border control and de facto ethnic cleansing through strict migration policy will be shattered by a party that causes economic downturn, a reduction in tax revenues and an inability to maintain essential services let alone fund this great purge of the migrant. People will realise what they ought to have seen but for the haze of hope. Populism = easy solutions for really difficult problems. If you want more money in your pocket, a better lifestyle and as close to optimal border control as is realistically possible, you would have been better off voting centrist right. The problem is Europe needs to have their 5 years to personally feel that pain before that penny drops. i It’s refreshing to see some well argued common sense here in the midst of the usual mix of unrealistic populist drivel, closet racism, uneducated rudeness and the occasional intellectually sound but politically skewed contributions. I have a small group of friends but a much larger group of regular acquaintances. Politics don’t usually feature much in our conversations, more bowls and football dominate. Right now it’s understandably different. The strange thing is that despite the general disenchantment with the Tories and politics in general I haven’t heard a single one suggest they will vote Reform. As an aside, when the conversation last week turned to Trump even I was staggered by the voracity of the dislike that poured forth. Compared to my colleagues I am a fan. Which all goes to confirm what I have long believed. That this is an extremely unrepresentative corner of the world where people gather to have their biases confirmed and egos massaged. Opinions here are worth hearing but only because you can get familiar with the thinking.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
i It’s refreshing to see some well argued common sense here in the midst of the usual mix of unrealistic populist drivel, closet racism, uneducated rudeness and the occasional intellectually sound but politically skewed contributions. I have a small group of friends but a much larger group of regular acquaintances. Politics don’t usually feature much in our conversations, more bowls and football dominate. Right now it’s understandably different. The strange thing is that despite the general disenchantment with the Tories and politics in general I haven’t heard a single one suggest they will vote Reform. As an aside, when the conversation last week turned to Trump even I was staggered by the voracity of the dislike that poured forth. Compared to my colleagues I am a fan. Which all goes to confirm what I have long believed. That this is an extremely unrepresentative corner of the world where people gather to have their biases confirmed and egos massaged. Opinions here are worth hearing but only because you can get familiar with the thinking. ‘Closet racism’ can you explain why you think this ?
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Groupthink is based on a common desire not to upset the balance of a group of people. Which is why most people keep their true thoughts to themselves or just agree to avoid being cast out.
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Originally posted by cryrst
‘Closet racism’ can you explain why you think this ? No, because to do so would point to particular posts and posters and I not going to do that. See if you can spot it.
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
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Originally posted by silvertop
Going OK thanks. Centre right in control across Europe and just about to come into power here albeit in a shabby, low cost version masquerading behind the red rose. Have you noticed the flag of the Union now appearing as part of The Labour flag? I suspect that won't last. Starmer and co are very obviously under directions from Blair and presenting themselves in right wing clothing for votes. However, if anyone has listened to Starmer over the years they know that he will say just about anything if he thinks it advantage him.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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