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cryrst The garden of England 14 Feb 24 7.15pm
Originally posted by beak Well that's life but I cannot imagine Labour sinking to the depths the Tories have. I don't know wether this story is true but Boris broke down and waffled on endlessly about Peppa the Pig,rumours the next day suggested that Boris was going to appoint Peppa the Pig to a ministerial role as the Minister for Porkies. Depths? You are correct. Not stopping illegal immigration, not dealing with the benefit ponces, not telling the green f*** wits to stop being lying bstards,not quelling the woke no free speech brigade etc et al. All stuff I would imagine labour will deal with for the British people. I’m glad you have the faith in them to deliver all of this and more. Cmon liebour.
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The garden of England 14 Feb 24 7.15pm

Originally posted by beak

Well that's life but I cannot imagine Labour sinking to the depths the Tories have. I don't know wether this story is true but Boris broke down and waffled on endlessly about Peppa the Pig,rumours the next day suggested that Boris was going to appoint Peppa the Pig to a ministerial role as the Minister for Porkies.

Depths? You are correct. Not stopping illegal immigration, not dealing with the benefit ponces, not telling the green f*** wits to stop being lying bstards,not quelling the woke no free speech brigade etc et al. All stuff I would imagine labour will deal with for the British people. I’m glad you have the faith in them to deliver all of this and more.
Cmon liebour.

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silvertop Portishead 14 Feb 24 7.26pm
I consider it extremely improbable Mossad were unaware of the proposed attacks. Where it goes from there is pure speculation. Israel incompetence or design. Ali could have concluded with persuasive argument the latter (either way is arguable) but have phrased it differently and without stepping into antisemitic tropes. Untrained off the cuff naivete he is too daft to represent anyone. He may be a rabid antisemite but this comment did not reveal it. Storm in a teacup like most of these issues.
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Portishead 14 Feb 24 7.26pm

I consider it extremely improbable Mossad were unaware of the proposed attacks.

Where it goes from there is pure speculation. Israel incompetence or design.

Ali could have concluded with persuasive argument the latter (either way is arguable) but have phrased it differently and without stepping into antisemitic tropes.

Untrained off the cuff naivete he is too daft to represent anyone. He may be a rabid antisemite but this comment did not reveal it.

Storm in a teacup like most of these issues.

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beak croydon 14 Feb 24 7.51pm
Originally posted by silvertop I consider it extremely improbable Mossad were unaware of the proposed attacks. Where it goes from there is pure speculation. Israel incompetence or design. Ali could have concluded with persuasive argument the latter (either way is arguable) but have phrased it differently and without stepping into antisemitic tropes. Untrained off the cuff naivete he is too daft to represent anyone. He may be a rabid antisemite but this comment did not reveal it. Storm in a teacup like most of these issues. I thought exactly that, Mossad is the equvalent of the C.I.A and internal affairs (F.B.I. equivalent) are dealt with by Sinbit (I thought it was sin bin for a week.) Edited by beak (14 Feb 2024 7.52pm)
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croydon 14 Feb 24 7.51pm

Originally posted by silvertop

I consider it extremely improbable Mossad were unaware of the proposed attacks.

Where it goes from there is pure speculation. Israel incompetence or design.

Ali could have concluded with persuasive argument the latter (either way is arguable) but have phrased it differently and without stepping into antisemitic tropes.

Untrained off the cuff naivete he is too daft to represent anyone. He may be a rabid antisemite but this comment did not reveal it.

Storm in a teacup like most of these issues.

I thought exactly that, Mossad is the equvalent of the C.I.A and internal affairs (F.B.I. equivalent) are dealt with by Sinbit (I thought it was sin bin for a week.)

Edited by beak (14 Feb 2024 7.52pm)

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cryrst The garden of England 14 Feb 24 8.06pm
Originally posted by beak I thought exactly that, Mossad is the equvalent of the C.I.A and internal affairs (F.B.I. equivalent) are dealt with by Sinbit (I thought it was sin bin for a week.) Edited by beak (14 Feb 2024 7.52pm) 9/11. 7/7. London Bridge. Manchester. All examples when the question was asked and no one had a clue. How would mossad know what Hamas is planning. Chances are on 7th only about 20 people in Hamas knew and the rest were merely sheep getting swallowed by the adrenaline buzz. Most might not have voluntarily wanted to do what they did if they thought about it.
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The garden of England 14 Feb 24 8.06pm

Originally posted by beak

I thought exactly that, Mossad is the equvalent of the C.I.A and internal affairs (F.B.I. equivalent) are dealt with by Sinbit (I thought it was sin bin for a week.)

Edited by beak (14 Feb 2024 7.52pm)

9/11. 7/7. London Bridge. Manchester. All examples when the question was asked and no one had a clue. How would mossad know what Hamas is planning. Chances are on 7th only about 20 people in Hamas knew and the rest were merely sheep getting swallowed by the adrenaline buzz. Most might not have voluntarily wanted to do what they did if they thought about it.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 14 Feb 24 8.36pm
Originally posted by cryrst 9/11. 7/7. London Bridge. Manchester. . how many Jewish terror events have ever happened on European soil ? i cannot remember a single one. Lefties everywhere with Palestine flags. The Middle East is like two kids squabbling in a playground.....both blaming the other for starting the fight. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by cryrst

9/11. 7/7. London Bridge. Manchester. .

how many Jewish terror events have ever happened on European soil ?

i cannot remember a single one.

Lefties everywhere with Palestine flags. The Middle East is like two kids squabbling in a playground.....both blaming the other for starting the fight.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Matov 14 Feb 24 8.50pm
Originally posted by cryrst 9/11. 7/7. London Bridge. Manchester. All examples when the question was asked and no one had a clue. How would mossad know what Hamas is planning. Chances are on 7th only about 20 people in Hamas knew and the rest were merely sheep getting swallowed by the adrenaline buzz. Most might not have voluntarily wanted to do what they did if they thought about it. The difference is that all of the terror attacks listed above where carried out by relatively small groups. In terms of 9/11 then I always advise people to read this book. [Link] When you grasp just how small Al Queda was and what they managed to do, it will leave you stunned. And none of them are comparable with the sheer scale, and the border defences that were surmounted, in terms of the October attack in Israel. I get bored repeating this but Gaza City is one sixth the size of London. With a population of over 2.3 million people. 2.3 million people who cannot leave it. 2.3 million people whose entire lives are corralled into an area of that is beyond comprehension. And who HATE Israel with a passion. Run by an organisation that openly calls for its destruction. And yet we are meant to believe they can stroll up to the border, cut a few wires and are then able to pour in as massacre 1300 people without Mossad/IDF being aware of it? Mossad can and do kill Iranians scientists on a regular basis. Mossad can and do hijack all kinds of computers with viruses. The entire state of Israel has military service for its entire population. And yet October 7th just happens? Nah. It does not add up. And has to be seen in a completely different context to the kind of terror attacks you have listed. October 7th means Israel is either run by incompetent fools. Or people with a ruthlessness that is beyond comprehension. The only two options. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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14 Feb 24 8.50pm

Originally posted by cryrst

The difference is that all of the terror attacks listed above where carried out by relatively small groups. In terms of 9/11 then I always advise people to read this book.

[Link]

When you grasp just how small Al Queda was and what they managed to do, it will leave you stunned.

And none of them are comparable with the sheer scale, and the border defences that were surmounted, in terms of the October attack in Israel.

I get bored repeating this but Gaza City is one sixth the size of London. With a population of over 2.3 million people. 2.3 million people who cannot leave it. 2.3 million people whose entire lives are corralled into an area of that is beyond comprehension. And who HATE Israel with a passion. Run by an organisation that openly calls for its destruction. And yet we are meant to believe they can stroll up to the border, cut a few wires and are then able to pour in as massacre 1300 people without Mossad/IDF being aware of it?

Mossad can and do kill Iranians scientists on a regular basis. Mossad can and do hijack all kinds of computers with viruses. The entire state of Israel has military service for its entire population. And yet October 7th just happens?

Nah. It does not add up. And has to be seen in a completely different context to the kind of terror attacks you have listed.

October 7th means Israel is either run by incompetent fools. Or people with a ruthlessness that is beyond comprehension. The only two options.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 15 Feb 24 5.22pm
Originally posted by Matov The difference is that all of the terror attacks listed above where carried out by relatively small groups. In terms of 9/11 then I always advise people to read this book. [Link] When you grasp just how small Al Queda was and what they managed to do, it will leave you stunned. And none of them are comparable with the sheer scale, and the border defences that were surmounted, in terms of the October attack in Israel. I get bored repeating this but Gaza City is one sixth the size of London. With a population of over 2.3 million people. 2.3 million people who cannot leave it. 2.3 million people whose entire lives are corralled into an area of that is beyond comprehension. And who HATE Israel with a passion. Run by an organisation that openly calls for its destruction. And yet we are meant to believe they can stroll up to the border, cut a few wires and are then able to pour in as massacre 1300 people without Mossad/IDF being aware of it? Mossad can and do kill Iranians scientists on a regular basis. Mossad can and do hijack all kinds of computers with viruses. The entire state of Israel has military service for its entire population. And yet October 7th just happens? Nah. It does not add up. And has to be seen in a completely different context to the kind of terror attacks you have listed. October 7th means Israel is either run by incompetent fools. Or people with a ruthlessness that is beyond comprehension. The only two options. [Link]
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Originally posted by Matov

The difference is that all of the terror attacks listed above where carried out by relatively small groups. In terms of 9/11 then I always advise people to read this book.

[Link]

When you grasp just how small Al Queda was and what they managed to do, it will leave you stunned.

And none of them are comparable with the sheer scale, and the border defences that were surmounted, in terms of the October attack in Israel.

Nah. It does not add up. And has to be seen in a completely different context to the kind of terror attacks you have listed.

October 7th means Israel is either run by incompetent fools. Or people with a ruthlessness that is beyond comprehension. The only two options.

[Link]

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HKOwen Hong Kong 15 Feb 24 11.22pm
There is direct equivalence between suggesting the Israelis allowed Oct 7th with suggesting the European Jews allowed the Holocaust. This is sailing close to being a criminal act under UK Law Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 15 Feb 24 11.22pm

There is direct equivalence between suggesting the Israelis allowed Oct 7th with suggesting the European Jews allowed the Holocaust.

This is sailing close to being a criminal act under UK Law

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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cryrst The garden of England 16 Feb 24 7.41am
Originally posted by Matov The difference is that all of the terror attacks listed above where carried out by relatively small groups. In terms of 9/11 then I always advise people to read this book. [Link] When you grasp just how small Al Queda was and what they managed to do, it will leave you stunned. And none of them are comparable with the sheer scale, and the border defences that were surmounted, in terms of the October attack in Israel. I get bored repeating this but Gaza City is one sixth the size of London. With a population of over 2.3 million people. 2.3 million people who cannot leave it. 2.3 million people whose entire lives are corralled into an area of that is beyond comprehension. And who HATE Israel with a passion. Run by an organisation that openly calls for its destruction. And yet we are meant to believe they can stroll up to the border, cut a few wires and are then able to pour in as massacre 1300 people without Mossad/IDF being aware of it? Mossad can and do kill Iranians scientists on a regular basis. Mossad can and do hijack all kinds of computers with viruses. The entire state of Israel has military service for its entire population. And yet October 7th just happens? Nah. It does not add up. And has to be seen in a completely different context to the kind of terror attacks you have listed. October 7th means Israel is either run by incompetent fools. Or people with a ruthlessness that is beyond comprehension. The only two options. Ok I will accept there probably was intel about something or even an attack. The border with Gaza is some 30 miles long. How were they meant to cover every yard with protection enough to stop it. It appears some parts were defended heavily by the IDF and civilians. Others not so or very lightly. Once these lightly defended areas were overrun that gap just got bigger for Hamas. It would be impossible to predict where or how many. The finger of blame lies with the terrorists and sad as innocents dying is it is a war now so collateral damage is impossible to prevent. The hospital the IDF are in probably does have hostages and Hamas in. Mossad and the government would have this intel as well but Hamas will milk their innocence seeing how ‘soft’ the rest of the world is to coin a phrase. Don’t forget the sole aim of 30% of the Muslim world is to rid Jews from the earth, then it’s us!!!
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The garden of England 16 Feb 24 7.41am

Originally posted by Matov

The difference is that all of the terror attacks listed above where carried out by relatively small groups. In terms of 9/11 then I always advise people to read this book.

[Link]

When you grasp just how small Al Queda was and what they managed to do, it will leave you stunned.

And none of them are comparable with the sheer scale, and the border defences that were surmounted, in terms of the October attack in Israel.

Nah. It does not add up. And has to be seen in a completely different context to the kind of terror attacks you have listed.

October 7th means Israel is either run by incompetent fools. Or people with a ruthlessness that is beyond comprehension. The only two options.

Ok I will accept there probably was intel about something or even an attack. The border with Gaza is some 30 miles long. How were they meant to cover every yard with protection enough to stop it. It appears some parts were defended heavily by the IDF and civilians. Others not so or very lightly. Once these lightly defended areas were overrun that gap just got bigger for Hamas. It would be impossible to predict where or how many. The finger of blame lies with the terrorists and sad as innocents dying is it is a war now so collateral damage is impossible to prevent. The hospital the IDF are in probably does have hostages and Hamas in. Mossad and the government would have this intel as well but Hamas will milk their innocence seeing how ‘soft’ the rest of the world is to coin a phrase. Don’t forget the sole aim of 30% of the Muslim world is to rid Jews from the earth, then it’s us!!!

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Feb 24 7.55am
Originally posted by HKOwen There is direct equivalence between suggesting the Israelis allowed Oct 7th with suggesting the European Jews allowed the Holocaust. This is sailing close to being a criminal act under UK Law Before you call the police, can you explain why there is an equivalence?
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SE19 16 Feb 24 7.55am

Originally posted by HKOwen

There is direct equivalence between suggesting the Israelis allowed Oct 7th with suggesting the European Jews allowed the Holocaust.

This is sailing close to being a criminal act under UK Law

Before you call the police, can you explain why there is an equivalence?

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HKOwen Hong Kong 16 Feb 24 8.50am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Before you call the police, can you explain why there is an equivalence? If you can't see it that speaks volumes. Last night on BBC QT one audience member was complaining the problem is the definition of anti-semitism currently being used. That would be the one that the Corbynites did not accept and Starmer is using. What the questioner really meant in my opinion was that the definition needs to be loosened so she and her ilk can go back to being more openly anti-semitic. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 16 Feb 24 8.50am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Before you call the police, can you explain why there is an equivalence?

If you can't see it that speaks volumes.

Last night on BBC QT one audience member was complaining the problem is the definition of anti-semitism currently being used. That would be the one that the Corbynites did not accept and Starmer is using.

What the questioner really meant in my opinion was that the definition needs to be loosened so she and her ilk can go back to being more openly anti-semitic.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 16 Feb 24 9.11am
Back to the election, looks like Starmer has given up a Labour seat until the general election. I hope George Galloway wins, he was right about the Iraq war and at least is consistent over the years. Never gets old watching him giving Paxman a kicking [Link] Edited by HKOwen (16 Feb 2024 9.24am) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 16 Feb 24 9.11am

Back to the election, looks like Starmer has given up a Labour seat until the general election.

I hope George Galloway wins, he was right about the Iraq war and at least is consistent over the years.

Never gets old watching him giving Paxman a kicking

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Edited by HKOwen (16 Feb 2024 9.24am)

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