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dreamwaverider London 06 Feb 24 10.58am | |
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Originally posted by eaglerik1
Id agree with this except we do not play 2 games a week as we tend to get knocked out of the cups pretty early and are not playing in europe. Also when did we last have players really sprinting and playing at speed? Last Saturday.!
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Teddy Eagle 06 Feb 24 11.04am | |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
Terry Venables as part of his routine took all the players up the pub on a thursday night for a few pints ( limit of 4 pints I believe) and then barred drinking until after the game on the Saturday that was always 3pm ko. Edited by dreamwaverider (06 Feb 2024 10.55am) Without being too romantic about the past the skills were different too. Players who could go round defenders and put in accurate crosses or pass it a distance rather than make 50 passes to no purpose other than keeping the ball. Speed is a vital element of the modern game but in some ways it's slower now.
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eritheagle Erith 06 Feb 24 11.21am | |
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A lot of muscle injuries are caused by an imbalence i.e. the opposing muscle is stronger. In the case of the hamstring the bigger and stronger Quad muscles. Therefore the hamstring is normally put in a precarious position as the stabalising muscle when quads are being used (a lot by footballers) and therefore bear a large brunt on them (as well as performing their other function when the leg is bent at the knee and heel is curled towards the buttocks) and have to be treated very carefully. On another note though, I remember hearing Michael Owen describing how he suffered a lot of hamstring injuries when younger.
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Palacesince64 Edinburgh 06 Feb 24 5.37pm | |
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There’s also an element down to the players themselves. In Olise’s case he declared himself fit to play and then 10 minutes into the half decide he should sprint flat out after a loose ball. He may not be the sharpest lad but a more mature pro would have had more sense. He is capable of winning games without doing that.
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BelfastEagle 06 Feb 24 6.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Jacey
If it is true that Olise is out for a minimum of two months,then probably down to that useless old man's very poor decision making,bringing Michael on when we had irretrievably lost the game and probably costing our place in the Premier League without this irreplaceable talent. Two months back for 10 mins again and his season will be done. ….thats the likely scenario. I wouldn’t have brought him on ….but having said that he’s either fit to play and on the bench or he’s not fit to play and not on the bench. You don’t allow half fit players to be selected….what on earth are the physio staff doing it’s madness.
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Rachid Rachid Rachid 06 Feb 24 6.16pm | |
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Originally posted by BelfastEagle
Two months back for 10 mins again and his season will be done. ….thats the likely scenario. I wouldn’t have brought him on ….but having said that he’s either fit to play and on the bench or he’s not fit to play and not on the bench. You don’t allow half fit players to be selected….what on earth are the physio staff doing it’s madness. Olise shouldn't have been there at all if there was an issue during the game against Sheffield United four games prior. As you say he was either fit to play or he wasn't. Clearly he wasn't. If he felt anything at all in his hamstring against Sheffield United then there's not a chance he plays four days later. And unless Roy completely ignored their advice or put huge pressure on them they shoulder the the majority of the blame. Roy still should have known better than to risk him.
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Palacesince64 Edinburgh 06 Feb 24 7.50pm | |
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
Olise shouldn't have been there at all if there was an issue during the game against Sheffield United four games prior. As you say he was either fit to play or he wasn't. Clearly he wasn't. If he felt anything at all in his hamstring against Sheffield United then there's not a chance he plays four days later. And unless Roy completely ignored their advice or put huge pressure on them they shoulder the the majority of the blame. Roy still should have known better than to risk him. Never sure who Roy is referring to when he talks about “medics”. Given his relatively recent surgery and the discomfort he’s had since then it should be the surgical rehab team and as a former rehab consultant I can’t imagine a trained specialist doctor offering the suggestion he was fit enough for half a game especially coming on cold at half time when everyone else has had 45 minutes under their belt.
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Knightstar Guildford 10 Feb 24 10.58pm | |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Why do we keep getting these injuries?' by becky I know the busy schedule in the Premier League and other competitions means the players play far too frequently, without adequate time to rest and recover. But why are so many of our players suffering from serious injuries such as hamstrings? I know a lot of people think that part of the problem is that our squad isn't deep enough and Roy keeps picking the same players and not rotating the squad. But is there a more serious problem with our training routines not adequately preparing players for these demanding encounters? Are our players not fit enough? I recall under Vieira that one of the criticisms of the team just before he got the sack, was that our team ran the least in the Premier League. I wonder how it is now and I wouldn't be surprised to find that we are again near the bottom of the league on this stat. Maybe we need to review our medical team and our whole approach to sports science because clearly something is wrong.
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The Yorkshire Eagle Great Ouseburn, N Yorkshire 11 Feb 24 8.10am | |
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There is a mix of ineptitude and poor management by all concerned here, IMO.
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Knightstar Guildford 11 Feb 24 8.38am | |
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I think more of the blame for these injuries lies with our training routines and these need careful scrutiny. As I said above, I suspect our players lack fitness and I bet our players are amongst the lowest in the division for distances run.
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mtp1958 Oswestry 11 Feb 24 8.47am | |
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we train the players as athletes instead of footballers the more sprints you do the more likely that you will damage a muscle , sprinters don't do half as much running in training as footballers do in a match ,
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Norbury Old Git London 11 Feb 24 12.49pm | |
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Part of the reason for the winter break was to help players to recover from injuries by a period of relaxation. The Everton replay interfered with the break and this was followed three days later by the Arsenal match. With no extended holiday and having 9 full days before the Sheffield match why did Roy see it necessary to recommence training on the Monday after the 5 nil drubbing rather than give the team a few more recovery days?
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