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HKOwen Hong Kong 02 Feb 24 9.57am | |
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and will be a huge cost to the UK taxpayer, lose lose for regular people in UK. Would be a shame if he tops himself but somehow looks too cowardly Edited by HKOwen (02 Feb 2024 9.58am)
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Feb 24 10.22am | |
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If ever there was a reason not to vote Tory, this is it. Sadly, Labour will likely be worse. A big protest vote regardless of political persuasion is the only democratic way to protest. The Reform Party seems to be the only option to make a dent. I think people need to realise how serious this is for the safety and security of this country.
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silvertop Portishead 02 Feb 24 10.37am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If ever there was a reason not to vote Tory, this is it. Sadly, Labour will likely be worse. A big protest vote regardless of political persuasion is the only democratic way to protest. The Reform Party seems to be the only option to make a dent. I think people need to realise how serious this is for the safety and security of this country. Imagine you were on a debating team. You were given the job of advocating positively in favour of non-EU immigrants of colour. Could you? If only as Devil's advocate? I bet you could make a really persuasive argument.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Feb 24 10.54am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Imagine you were on a debating team. You were given the job of advocating positively in favour of non-EU immigrants of colour. Could you? If only as Devil's advocate? I bet you could make a really persuasive argument. You'd have to because no one really wants to hear the obvious realities. Apparently, the worst thing in the world is an homogeneous, cohesive society. Not exactly sure why - too many albinos? Who knows.
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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Feb 24 10.56am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Imagine you were on a debating team. You were given the job of advocating positively in favour of non-EU immigrants of colour. Could you? If only as Devil's advocate? I bet you could make a really persuasive argument. Here is my problem. When we allow a number of asylum seekers from certain places, you will always get a small but significant number of criminal types. We seem incapable of vetting people sufficiently, so the only other way to prevent the deluge of crime committed by migrants is to stop migration from certain countries. We are told that these people aren't safe where they come from, despite them often travelling through multiple countries to get here.
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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Feb 24 11.00am | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
You'd have to because no one really wants to hear the obvious realities. Apparently, the worst thing in the world is an homogeneous, cohesive society. Not exactly sure why - too many albinos? Who knows. You make an argument for practically anything. That doesn't make it a good one.
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silvertop Portishead 02 Feb 24 11.05am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You make an argument for practically anything. That doesn't make it a good one. AS is a clever poster who disguises his real beliefs in pithy wit. Read again, and I suspect you could not pass a cigarette paper between your positions.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 02 Feb 24 11.09am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Here is my problem. When we allow a number of asylum seekers from certain places, you will always get a small but significant number of criminal types. We seem incapable of vetting people sufficiently, so the only other way to prevent the deluge of crime committed by migrants is to stop migration from certain countries. We are told that these people aren't safe where they come from, despite them often travelling through multiple countries to get here. For instance, where I work there are many asylum seekers from South Africa. Now, obviously there is a lot of crime in South Africa, nevertheless there is authority, a democratic government and there is not widespread torture, coercion or suppression of beliefs. Really the people are leaving for reasons that, at the most, can be considered to be safer - as there is clearly less crime in Europe. When you think about places like Detroit then one can only imagine what might happen in the future. If any of the poorest people there had thought of it yet, they'd be claiming asylum. I truly believe it's only a matter of time before you see people from supposedly richer Western countries seek asylum abroad in places like Australia. The press will have a field day pulling the people apart too - but that's another story.
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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Feb 24 11.11am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
AS is a clever poster who disguises his real beliefs in pithy wit. Read again, and I suspect you could not pass a cigarette paper between your positions. Thanks. I am aware of that. I'm really answering your question via his response. Clearly, one could use the human rights argument to justify all of this.
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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Feb 24 11.15am | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
For instance, where I work there are many asylum seekers from South Africa. Now, obviously there is a lot of crime in South Africa, nevertheless there is authority, a democratic government and there is not widespread torture, coercion or suppression of beliefs. Really the people are leaving for reasons that, at the most, can be considered to be safer - as there is clearly less crime in Europe. When you think about places like Detroit then one can only imagine what might happen in the future. If any of the poorest people there had thought of it yet, they'd be claiming asylum. I truly believe it's only a matter of time before you see people from supposedly richer Western countries seek asylum abroad in places like Australia. The press will have a field day pulling the people apart too - but that's another story. This is the irony. As we import more criminals, these 'safe' places will become as unsafe as the places they came from.
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silvertop Portishead 02 Feb 24 11.41am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Thanks. I am aware of that. I'm really answering your question via his response. Clearly, one could use the human rights argument to justify all of this. This might be the fig leaf, but it is not the reason. The true reasons are wholly economic. On the one hand, cheap immigrant labour depresses wages and inflation and increases economic growth. Why do you think the Tories are so averse to any effective policy? They are desperate for the green shoots that might save them from electoral oblivion. The Rwanda thing is pure smoke and mirrors. On the other hand, stemming and reversing the flow is too big a draw from limited and diminishing public funds. The opportunity cost would be crippling and would lower the quality of life for most Britons. "You" (i.e. possibly not you?) may be happy in your mortgage free home, no personal debt, reasonable pension, and private health insurance but most people would be noticeably compromised.
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Hrolf The Ganger 02 Feb 24 11.50am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
This might be the fig leaf, but it is not the reason. The true reasons are wholly economic. On the one hand, cheap immigrant labour depresses wages and inflation and increases economic growth. Why do you think the Tories are so averse to any effective policy? They are desperate for the green shoots that might save them from electoral oblivion. The Rwanda thing is pure smoke and mirrors. On the other hand, stemming and reversing the flow is too big a draw from limited and diminishing public funds. The opportunity cost would be crippling and would lower the quality of life for most Britons. "You" (i.e. possibly not you?) may be happy in your mortgage free home, no personal debt, reasonable pension, and private health insurance but most people would be noticeably compromised. I would agree about all of those factors playing a part. Rwanda is clearly for appearances. However, I would speculate that currently, the best way to get votes from the people most likely to sway the election would be to immediately clamp down on migration, illegal and legal. I do have a mortgage free home, but my primary concern is for my grown up children.
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