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 Badger11  Beckenham 31 Oct 23 8.57am |
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Religion is often the excuse, in some instances it is more about the have and the have nots. Some group has the land / wealth and wont share with others.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 31 Oct 23 9.43am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Religion is often the excuse, in some instances it is more about the have and the have nots. Some group has the land / wealth and wont share with others. in 1800s Scotland you had the top and bottom of society with the same religion, surnames, voices etc. And therefore not much political problems. In Ireland, you had 2 ethnic groups.....one at the top, and a different one at the bottom. And it always caused strife. So you are correct in your assertion. The economics of multiculturalism are always important. Among the mexicans of San Francisco or the Spurs supporters of North London. 'Who owns what' is always pertinent.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 01 Nov 23 12.15am |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
If you use the word "every" then better check your facts. Very Wisbech Eagle like error A brief search does not show any persecution from antiquity ( that's a while ago ) until the arrival of the Ottomans. Would be interested to know the source of your " owning Jewish scripture was a capital offence " comment Edited by HKOwen (31 Oct 2023 3.14am) Edited by HKOwen (31 Oct 2023 3.19am) Ok. Your first reply was pedantry really. It's rather obvious what I meant. And I ignored the accusation you made. You now seem to want to appear intellectually superior to me. But if you think that Jewish persecution didn't happen until the Ottoman empire you really need to better research the history. I'm pretty sure I saw Charlton Heston part the red sea and lead the Hebrews out of slavery and to the Promised Land about two thousand years before the Ottomans rocked up at the party. It seems that I have somehow got under your skin. It's probably best is we park this here.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 01 Nov 23 7.31am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Ok. Your first reply was pedantry really. It's rather obvious what I meant. And I ignored the accusation you made. You now seem to want to appear intellectually superior to me. But if you think that Jewish persecution didn't happen until the Ottoman empire you really need to better research the history. I'm pretty sure I saw Charlton Heston part the red sea and lead the Hebrews out of slavery and to the Promised Land about two thousand years before the Ottomans rocked up at the party. It seems that I have somehow got under your skin. It's probably best is we park this here. Shallow and meaningless reply. I was specifically addressing your point about persecution by I await your detailing of having Jewish scriptures being a capital crime.
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| Matov 01 Nov 23 8.54am |
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The reason people hate the 'Jews' is because they show an intense in-group preference along with their historical links to usury allied with a genuine sense of legacy that they collectively hold. This stuff is not rocket science. However, what we have today is a proof of the successful, and driven by Jewish interests, campaign to equate critique of any and everything the state of Israel does with 'hatred' of any and every Jew. Israel is an ethno-state. Citizenship is granted on the basis of being able to prove a shared genetic link. Literally DNA is the crux of it for them. Which means that anybody who thinks that racial background should not matter must, by default, 'hate' Israel and therefore, in the modern context, 'hate' Jews. I am a huge admirer of much of Jewish culture. But I also harbour no illusions that they consider themselves to be, at the very least, significantly different to me and at the very worst, see me as nothing other than chattel for them to ultimately buy and sell. This is all written down. Jewish people dominate in all kinds of significant posts of power in any and every field of modern life because they have a shared sense of Jewishness. They will, by default,favour their own over others. I am at total peace with that. Because that is what I would do in their position of always being a distrusted minority. It is how you protect yourself. Whether you think this is fair or not, is irrelevant. It is what it is. And we have much to learn from this.
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| palace99 New Mills 01 Nov 23 9.38am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It’s an unfortunate fact that many make the incorrect assumption that every Jew supports the behaviour of the Israeli government. It isn’t true. It is perfectly reasonable to be appalled by both the actions of Hamas and by the attitude of Israel both before and after October 7th, without being anti-Semitic in any way. Threatening, or attacking ordinary, peace loving citizens, of any faith or none, anywhere, just because of some kind of an association with others is unacceptable. Whether in Dagestan or Gaza. good post. Of the Jewish people i know none have ever lived in Israel and don't have any support for the Israel govt etc
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 01 Nov 23 11.25am |
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Originally posted by Matov
The reason people hate the 'Jews' is because they show an intense in-group preference along with their historical links to usury allied with a genuine sense of legacy that they collectively hold. they consider themselves to be, at the very least, significantly different to me and at the very worst, see me as nothing other than chattel for them to ultimately buy and sell. This is all written down. Jewish people dominate in all kinds of significant posts of power in any and every field of modern life because they have a shared sense of Jewishness. They will, by default,favour their own over others. Whether you think this is fair or not, is irrelevant. It is what it is. And we have much to learn from this.
Hollywood, American Universities, Wall Street, Fine Art dealers, many Museums worldwide. The BBC ? THE bold text above. Is it all about who you will marry and who you will employ ? I can easily think of a handful of high profile Jewish people who seem to have married within their own Tribe. In an increasingly multicultural World, this is noteworthy of a trend, a pattern. Especially when you consider that most of the Jews, mentioned below, lived in places where Jews were only a tiny proportion of the overall population. Jews that married other Jews. - Simon Cowell
- Irish Travellers in all cases a strong 'in group preference ' will set a group apart from the rest of the community. Its not rocket science.....just simple mathematics. Edited by PalazioVecchio (01 Nov 2023 12.06pm)
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| Matov 01 Nov 23 2.34pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
- Irish Travellers in all cases a strong 'in group preference ' will set a group apart from the rest of the community. Its not rocket science.....just simple mathematics. Edited by PalazioVecchio (01 Nov 2023 12.06pm) But almost all of those groups are exclusionary to wider society. Jewish people are not. Hence they they are over-represented in a huge variety of societal institutions. Also Jewish people, on the whole, test high at IQ. They are, collectively, smart people. With anti-semetism means an almost Darwinian effect coming into play meaning that they have collectively learnt to adapt. Perhaps explaining why they can act so so dumb when it comes to managing their collective affairs but so smart when acting as an organised minority in other nations? Applying some pop-psychology here to what is clearly a complex situation so am happy to be ripped another one on this but I sense I have hit something on the head here.
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 01 Nov 23 4.16pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
But almost all of those groups are exclusionary to wider society. Jewish people are not. Hence they they are over-represented in a huge variety of societal institutions. Also Jewish people, on the whole, test high at IQ. They are, collectively, smart people. With anti-semetism means an almost Darwinian effect coming into play meaning that they have collectively learnt to adapt. Perhaps explaining why they can act so so dumb when it comes to managing their collective affairs but so smart when acting as an organised minority in other nations? Applying some pop-psychology here to what is clearly a complex situation so am happy to be ripped another one on this but I sense I have hit something on the head here. you are correct. However, living apart, a separate enclave...geographically. The groups mentioned above do so. Mostly. Maybe Simon Cowell now lives in multicultural London - on a street with twenty different ethnicities, but the original Ghetto was Venice. Eastern Europe was divided into Christian villages and Jewish areas.....dating back to the Pale of Settlement. The Catholic Falls Road or the Protestant Shankill......separate ethnic neighbourhoods often have a long and dodgy history. Maybe its Better to either integrate completely or to live in separate nations ? high IQ, jews ? for certain. Our David Cameron is of Ashkenazi extraction....an extremely clever crowd. And certainly Stephen Fry is no intellectual slouch. regarding the title of the OP.....i would broaden its coverage to 'Other hating to the fore'' cos any group that lives apart can face discrimination and hatred from the mainstream. Just look at how the Spanish often feel about the English holiday towns on the Costa's. Personally i feel positively toward the Jews. But we must recognise hatred when it does exist in the World. recognise it and try to understand it. The magnitude of the problems in the Middle-East speak for themselves. Edited by PalazioVecchio (01 Nov 2023 4.20pm)
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| Stirlingsays 01 Nov 23 4.54pm |
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Part of the success of the left has been its framing of the discourse. It does this with language...it starts within academic institutions, then into the media and thus becomes reinforced and normalised within the general culture. You can see this with the word 'hate'. When I was growing up you rarely if at any saw this word being used within a racially charged or ethnic sense. However, now it's used to describe seemingly any discourse that someone else doesn't like. It feeds into the 'victimhood/oppression' narrative.....something else the far left worked so hard over decades to input into the culture. I can't quite believe just how many people fall for it...it's an indication of the feminization of the culture, which itself only became so accepted due to the lack of actual struggle amongst the lives of the middle and higher class.....luxury navel gazing can inspire utter nonsense. To talk about how the 'hate' word became used this way you of course have to use it, however I regularly put speech marks around the word to highlight how the word....more often than not, it is used in a hyperbolic way to paint a 'me good, you bad' framing. In real life to know whether someone actually hates something or someone you have to know something more about them than what they type.....otherwise you're just going on how you 'feel' about it. That's a 'trust me bro' analysis and can justify just about any response. It's the route our political classes have gone down and it's social decline.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 01 Nov 23 5.01pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Part of the success of the left has been its framing of the discourse. It does this with language...it starts within academic institutions, then into the media and thus becomes reinforced and normalised within the general culture. You can see this with the word 'hate'. When I was growing up you rarely if at any saw this word being used within a racially charged or ethnic sense. However, now it's used to describe seemingly any discourse that someone else doesn't like. It feeds into the 'victimhood/oppression' narrative.....something else the far left worked so hard over decades to input into the culture. I can't quite believe just how many people fall for it...it's an indication of the feminization of the culture, which itself only became so accepted due to the lack of actual struggle amongst the lives of the middle and higher class.....luxury navel gazing can inspire utter nonsense. To talk about how the 'hate' word became used this way you of course have to use it, however I regularly put speech marks around the word to highlight how the word....more often than not, it is used in a hyperbolic way to paint a 'me good, you bad' framing. In real life to know whether someone actually hates something or someone you have to know something more about them than what they type.....otherwise you're just going on how you 'feel' about it. That's a 'trust me bro' analysis and can justify just about any response. It's the route our political classes have gone down and it's social decline. Genuine question; who or what entities do you think 'work so hard' to achieve these things? How does 'the left', as if one all-encompassing entity, agree on ambitions and coordinate this to happen?
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| Stirlingsays 01 Nov 23 5.23pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Genuine question; who or what entities do you think 'work so hard' to achieve these things? How does 'the left', as if one all-encompassing entity, agree on ambitions and coordinate this to happen? It's a fair question and it's also true that the left, like all political demographics isn't a monolith. Instead this is more a recognition that backed narratives reached a critical mass and were adopted and agreed upon....starting on the far left. Coordination happened and happens but it's less about that and more about politically emergent behaviour. The 'hate' word is a prime example of that....it started within academic circles and moves with the media....messaging pervades it into the discourse over time and then it's everywhere. What is taught in universities matters because twenty years later those people start to take over leadership positions within professions. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Nov 2023 5.24pm)
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