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steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 23 10.39am | |
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'Rejecting the voice shows Australia is still in denial, its history of forgetting a festering wrong'. Can't even have a voice in their own country. And Bairstow was not out.
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georgenorman 16 Oct 23 12.37pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'Rejecting the voice shows Australia is still in denial, its history of forgetting a festering wrong'. Can't even have a voice in their own country. And Bairstow was not out.
When some question like this is put to the people in a referendum, the people tend to make the correct choice. It must be very frustrating for people like you.
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Badger11 Beckenham 16 Oct 23 1.17pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'Rejecting the voice shows Australia is still in denial, its history of forgetting a festering wrong'. And Bairstow was not out.
I#m not sure that is true even the BBC acknowledged the real voter issue. Voters were being asked to changed the constitution so that proportionality first nation people had a larger say in legislation in other words forget one man one vote. During the campaign the PM refused to answer some fairly basic questions: - How would this new body work? - Who would sit on it? - How would they would be selected? - Most importantly what powers would it have? - What if Parliament and the new body was at loggerheads. The PM basically said trust me we will work all this out after you have voted yes. The voters said err no thanks we are not giving politicians a blank cheque. The polling indicated that most Australians would vote for some form of first nation recognition but just like Cameron their PM was too arrogant to actually deliver a workable solution. It actually makes more sense to bring in specific legislation that Parliament can debate and vote on e.g. housing education or employment. The issue is not dead it was just framed incompetently.
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cryrst The garden of England 16 Oct 23 1.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I#m not sure that is true even the BBC acknowledged the real voter issue. Voters were being asked to changed the constitution so that proportionality first nation people had a larger say in legislation in other words forget one man one vote. During the campaign the PM refused to answer some fairly basic questions: - How would this new body work? - Who would sit on it? - How would they would be selected? - Most importantly what powers would it have? - What if Parliament and the new body was at loggerheads. The PM basically said trust me we will work all this out after you have voted yes. The voters said err no thanks we are not giving politicians a blank cheque. The polling indicated that most Australians would vote for some form of first nation recognition but just like Cameron their PM was too arrogant to actually deliver a workable solution. It actually makes more sense to bring in specific legislation that Parliament can debate and vote on e.g. housing education or employment. The issue is not dead it was just framed incompetently. Exactly badger. Some posters clearly don’t read or can’t understand. Imagine a black person had 2 votes to a white person 1 vote. This in effect is what the Aussies voted against and rightly so. I thought the whole point of all these new breed of societies was for getting equality. Obs not if you is not white.
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Matov 16 Oct 23 1.55pm | |
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Actually I think the principle is a good one. People who have a genuine long-term heritage in a nation should have their views and opinions given higher consideration and value. Why should somebody who can trace their family tree back for hundreds of years not be considered of more importance than newcomers when it comes to matters of state? I am with the Leftwingers on this because I think the principle is of crucial importance.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 23 2.12pm | |
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Of course they should, to have a referendum at all is perverse.
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Badger11 Beckenham 16 Oct 23 2.18pm | |
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If you want to change the constitution that is part of the process. Far better to have detailed legislation through Parliament for specific areas then people would know what is being proposed.
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steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 23 2.41pm | |
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A term I avoid but it is, for a change, actually racism. It should never have happened, was bound to dissolve into it, and it did. A bad day for Australia, to see their discomfort is quite a sight.
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Badger11 Beckenham 16 Oct 23 3.02pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
A term I avoid but it is, for a change, actually racism. It should never have happened, was bound to dissolve into it, and it did. A bad day for Australia, to see their discomfort is quite a sight. We'll have to disagree I think this was more about a bad solution rather than a rejection of the problem.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 23 5.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The sentence I highlighted sums up why the rest of your post is redundant. There is only one simple truth that prevails. The West side with Israel because Iran and all the satellite organisations that promote radical Islam are our enemies in the geopolitical board game. That might be today's simple truth but we must look beyond today, and indeed beyond tomorrow. Defining what happens next is often ignored in the rush to deal with the immediate. Iran and radical Islam are indeed a major problem but why do they exist? What has created them and how do we help to turn people away from it? There are many in Iran who would be very pleased to see their country become a modern democracy. Not all Islamic countries are radical, so there are models to be found. Israel responding in the way they are to the atrocities committed by Hamas is probably exactly what Hamas wanted to happen. Israel is rapidly being seen as an aggressor and not a victim. Hamas don't care about civilian casualties, or losing their own fighters. So I worry that Israel in responding in the way they always do when provoked is making the problem worse. A more nuanced, thoughtful and targetted response which clearly tries to protect the long suffering innocent, whilst being ruthless with Hamas itself, would keep the rest of the world onside and perhaps see a shorter route to a long term solution.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Oct 23 5.22pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
A term I avoid but it is, for a change, actually racism. It should never have happened, was bound to dissolve into it, and it did. A bad day for Australia, to see their discomfort is quite a sight. All they need is a Guardian reporter in parliament. Then we can all hear how racist everything is from their voice. Or Lammy perhaps. Though I'm pretty sure they wouldn't take his crap for long.
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Matov 16 Oct 23 7.13pm | |
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The thing is though that voting against this is racist. I would have voted on the basis that I did not want to hand a specific minority additional power over me despite that minority being the indigenous race. My reasoning would have been racist. And I would have had no problem with that. People need to get over this fear of the 'R' word. We live in a world now in which we can see mass demonstrations on the streets of London calling for an effectively ethnostate i.e a Palastinian homeland v a Jewish one. There is literally not one single voice advocating for any kind of multicultural solution. There is nothing wrong in supporting your own racial group over another anymore. Our own politicians proclaim support for Israel which is by any definition an Ethno-State whilst many on the Left supported a Palestinian one in return. There are no voices proclaiming some sort of harmonious interaction between the two. And it is liberating on all kinds of levels. Embrace the new reality. Anybody who is not Aboringe in Australia is a migrant.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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