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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 23 11.35pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare Children are litterally being brainwashed in schools by woke lefty's and their evil trans ideology. It's very hard to be a parent these days. I do agree that an inquiring mind is also healthy tho ;-) I don't have much contact with schools these days, but I know a few teachers. They would be very amused to be described as a "woke lefty". They deal with rowdy children and difficult parents, cope with staff shortages, organise breakfast and after-school clubs, school sports, and trips away, and when that's all done teach the curriculum. No time left to brainwash anyone about anything. Just get home so they can do some marking and prepare for tomorrow. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Jun 2023 11.36pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 15 Jun 23 11.35pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Children are litterally being brainwashed in schools by woke lefty's and their evil trans ideology.

It's very hard to be a parent these days.

I do agree that an inquiring mind is also healthy tho ;-)

I don't have much contact with schools these days, but I know a few teachers. They would be very amused to be described as a "woke lefty". They deal with rowdy children and difficult parents, cope with staff shortages, organise breakfast and after-school clubs, school sports, and trips away, and when that's all done teach the curriculum. No time left to brainwash anyone about anything. Just get home so they can do some marking and prepare for tomorrow.

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For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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eaglesdare 15 Jun 23 11.44pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don't have much contact with schools these days, but I know a few teachers. They would be very amused to be described as a "woke lefty". They deal with rowdy children and difficult parents, cope with staff shortages, organise breakfast and after-school clubs, school sports, and trips away, and when that's all done teach the curriculum. No time left to brainwash anyone about anything. Just get home so they can do some marking and prepare for tomorrow. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Jun 2023 11.36pm) The opposite in my experience. I know alot of parents who are not happy with the woke trans ideology taught in school. And if we object to the teachings we are "transphobic" etc... I know parents who are not happy with the new "sex education" in primary school aimed at young and innocent children. I also know from teachers that they are forced to teach this against their wills. I have also heard of children being inducted into the trans cult without a parents consent in the schools. Edited by eaglesdare (15 Jun 2023 11.44pm)
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15 Jun 23 11.44pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (15 Jun 2023 11.36pm)

The opposite in my experience. I know alot of parents who are not happy with the woke trans ideology taught in school. And if we object to the teachings we are "transphobic" etc...

I know parents who are not happy with the new "sex education" in primary school aimed at young and innocent children. I also know from teachers that they are forced to teach this against their wills.

I have also heard of children being inducted into the trans cult without a parents consent in the schools.

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eaglesdare 15 Jun 23 11.48pm
In Ireland The Minister for Education, Norma Foley, has pressed ahead with including gender ideology in the Junior Cert (primary school in england) curriculum. [Link]
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15 Jun 23 11.48pm

In Ireland The Minister for Education, Norma Foley, has pressed ahead with including gender ideology in the Junior Cert (primary school in england) curriculum.

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PalazioVecchio south pole 16 Jun 23 12.02am
Originally posted by eaglesdare In Ireland The Minister for Education, Norma Foley, has pressed ahead with including gender ideology in the Junior Cert (primary school in england) curriculum. [Link] what now passes for 'education' is little more than a Soc-Lib indoctrination. the straw that breaks the Camel's back is nigh Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford
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Originally posted by eaglesdare

In Ireland The Minister for Education, Norma Foley, has pressed ahead with including gender ideology in the Junior Cert (primary school in england) curriculum.

[Link]

what now passes for 'education' is little more than a Soc-Lib indoctrination.

the straw that breaks the Camel's back is nigh

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 23 12.11am
Originally posted by eaglesdare The opposite in my experience. I know alot of parents who are not happy with the woke trans ideology taught in school. And if we object to the teachings we are "transphobic" etc... I know parents who are not happy with the new "sex education" in primary school aimed at young and innocent children. I also know from teachers that they are forced to teach this against their wills. I have also heard of children being inducted into the trans cult without a parents consent in the schools. Edited by eaglesdare (15 Jun 2023 11.44pm) There are ways for any parent to raise concerns, either with the head, the governors, the parent/teacher association or the education board. If those fail, write to the MP or the local newspaper. Surely any "sex education" at a primary school is going to be very basic and more a recognition of the differences between people and the need to respect everybody than anything else? We now live in a different world where all kinds of things can easily be seen online. That cannot just be ignored and children need to be prepared to cope with it and know how to ask questions without shame. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 23 12.11am

Originally posted by eaglesdare

The opposite in my experience. I know alot of parents who are not happy with the woke trans ideology taught in school. And if we object to the teachings we are "transphobic" etc...

I know parents who are not happy with the new "sex education" in primary school aimed at young and innocent children. I also know from teachers that they are forced to teach this against their wills.

I have also heard of children being inducted into the trans cult without a parents consent in the schools.

Edited by eaglesdare (15 Jun 2023 11.44pm)

There are ways for any parent to raise concerns, either with the head, the governors, the parent/teacher association or the education board. If those fail, write to the MP or the local newspaper.

Surely any "sex education" at a primary school is going to be very basic and more a recognition of the differences between people and the need to respect everybody than anything else? We now live in a different world where all kinds of things can easily be seen online. That cannot just be ignored and children need to be prepared to cope with it and know how to ask questions without shame.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jun 23 12.12am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle If that was true it would be, and they should be punished according to the law. It cannot be true though, or people would be prosecuted. For sure we need comprehensive guidance and oversight established, with many checks and verifications in place. As much to reassure the doubters as for any other reason. I see no ideological influences involved at all. These are decisions taken by clinicians on a recognised medical condition. Ideology is set aside by such people when assessing the best course of action. One of the fundamental requirements placed on any clinician is adherence to the Hippocratic oath, the key requirement of which is to "do no harm". Break that and you lose your job. Clinicians like Dr Mengele perhaps? I would very much consider contribution to suicides as ‘harm’, especially when driven by the promulgation of an idea. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jun 23 12.12am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If that was true it would be, and they should be punished according to the law.

It cannot be true though, or people would be prosecuted. For sure we need comprehensive guidance and oversight established, with many checks and verifications in place. As much to reassure the doubters as for any other reason.

I see no ideological influences involved at all. These are decisions taken by clinicians on a recognised medical condition. Ideology is set aside by such people when assessing the best course of action. One of the fundamental requirements placed on any clinician is adherence to the Hippocratic oath, the key requirement of which is to "do no harm". Break that and you lose your job.

Clinicians like Dr Mengele perhaps?

I would very much consider contribution to suicides as ‘harm’, especially when driven by the promulgation of an idea.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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eaglesdare 16 Jun 23 12.22am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle There are ways for any parent to raise concerns, either with the head, the governors, the parent/teacher association or the education board. If those fail, write to the MP or the local newspaper. Surely any "sex education" at a primary school is going to be very basic and more a recognition of the differences between people and the need to respect everybody than anything else? We now live in a different world where all kinds of things can easily be seen online. That cannot just be ignored and children need to be prepared to cope with it and know how to ask questions without shame. Any parent who raises concerns is branded a "transphobe" or a "right wing extremist" It's the end of game of the pedophiles. They are trying to normalise sex with underage young children. The "sex education" in primary schools that is being brought in is far far from being very basic.
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16 Jun 23 12.22am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

There are ways for any parent to raise concerns, either with the head, the governors, the parent/teacher association or the education board. If those fail, write to the MP or the local newspaper.

Any parent who raises concerns is branded a "transphobe" or a "right wing extremist"

It's the end of game of the pedophiles. They are trying to normalise sex with underage young children. The "sex education" in primary schools that is being brought in is far far from being very basic.

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Teddy Eagle 16 Jun 23 6.49am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow That's exactly what it is - the Tories don't have a hope winning an election on policy so the only strategy can be to continue hammering this culture war stuff. And it clearly works. Having said that, and as someone on the left of most social issues, I struggle to make sense of a lot of the thinking around trans stuff - Labour are barely left wing on anything, but they've decided trans is the one issue they set their stall on the left, despite a seeming lack of support on it. I find it a minefield of a topic to explore and I don't think there are easy answers to a lot of the specific debating points, but the Californians certainly don't have it right. Agree 100%. The whole issue feels as though a person's, or their children's, gender identity has become almost a fashion accessory. In the last few years dyslexia, ADHD, Bi-polar issues, being "on the spectrum", etc, have all been claimed by an increasing number of people. This is not to denigrate anyone genuinely affected by these conditions but they seem to be glossed over when the latest hot button one comes along.
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16 Jun 23 6.49am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

That's exactly what it is - the Tories don't have a hope winning an election on policy so the only strategy can be to continue hammering this culture war stuff. And it clearly works.

Having said that, and as someone on the left of most social issues, I struggle to make sense of a lot of the thinking around trans stuff - Labour are barely left wing on anything, but they've decided trans is the one issue they set their stall on the left, despite a seeming lack of support on it.

I find it a minefield of a topic to explore and I don't think there are easy answers to a lot of the specific debating points, but the Californians certainly don't have it right.

Agree 100%. The whole issue feels as though a person's, or their children's, gender identity has become almost a fashion accessory. In the last few years dyslexia, ADHD, Bi-polar issues, being "on the spectrum", etc, have all been claimed by an increasing number of people. This is not to denigrate anyone genuinely affected by these conditions but they seem to be glossed over when the latest hot button one comes along.

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Matov 16 Jun 23 8.10am
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio what now passes for 'education' is little more than a Soc-Lib indoctrination. the straw that breaks the Camel's back is nigh The R.O.I descent is shocking. Almost as if the globalists took what was perhaps the most socially Conservative nation in Western Europe and used it as an experiment to see how swiftly they could dismantle that. And the project has clearly been a sucessful one. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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16 Jun 23 8.10am

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

what now passes for 'education' is little more than a Soc-Lib indoctrination.

the straw that breaks the Camel's back is nigh

The R.O.I descent is shocking. Almost as if the globalists took what was perhaps the most socially Conservative nation in Western Europe and used it as an experiment to see how swiftly they could dismantle that.

And the project has clearly been a sucessful one.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 23 8.17am
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Clinicians like Dr Mengele perhaps? I would very much consider contribution to suicides as ‘harm’, especially when driven by the promulgation of an idea. Surely introducing the Nazi doctor Mengele into a discussion on medical ethics is akin to introducing Hitler into a debate on politics? Any clinician who did what you suggest would be in contravention of the Hippocratic oath and be putting put their job at risk. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 23 8.17am

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Clinicians like Dr Mengele perhaps?

I would very much consider contribution to suicides as ‘harm’, especially when driven by the promulgation of an idea.

Surely introducing the Nazi doctor Mengele into a discussion on medical ethics is akin to introducing Hitler into a debate on politics?

Any clinician who did what you suggest would be in contravention of the Hippocratic oath and be putting put their job at risk.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 23 8.28am
Originally posted by eaglesdare Any parent who raises concerns is branded a "transphobe" or a "right wing extremist" It's the end of game of the pedophiles. They are trying to normalise sex with underage young children. The "sex education" in primary schools that is being brought in is far far from being very basic. That's simply untrue. My own daughter has faced this with her child and was very concerned. Both have been very well supported by the school and everyone else involved. There is nothing but praise from her. No decisions have been made, but lots of assessments and advice are being given. Time is being taken and a way found for everyone to be comfortable and much happier than they were. If you suggested she was a pedophile to my daughter, to her face, I think you would be well advised to run as fast as you can. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 23 8.28am

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Any parent who raises concerns is branded a "transphobe" or a "right wing extremist"

That's simply untrue. My own daughter has faced this with her child and was very concerned. Both have been very well supported by the school and everyone else involved. There is nothing but praise from her. No decisions have been made, but lots of assessments and advice are being given. Time is being taken and a way found for everyone to be comfortable and much happier than they were.

If you suggested she was a pedophile to my daughter, to her face, I think you would be well advised to run as fast as you can.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jun 23 8.56am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Surely introducing the Nazi doctor Mengele into a discussion on medical ethics is akin to introducing Hitler into a debate on politics? Any clinician who did what you suggest would be in contravention of the Hippocratic oath and be putting put their job at risk. And many do. To suggest that the taking of an oath is evidence against any proposed action is child-like naivety at best. Mengele butchered and murdered children, a crime so barbaric, heinous and inhuman it can surely only be driven by dogmatic allegiance to insane ideology. We're not far off that in the Trans world. Children are being mutilated and dying by suicide. Yet the likes of you consider this so inconsequential you want to continue with the promulgation of this ideology and cite lack of clear evidence as reason for not taking action, despite the consequences. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 16 Jun 23 8.56am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Surely introducing the Nazi doctor Mengele into a discussion on medical ethics is akin to introducing Hitler into a debate on politics?

Any clinician who did what you suggest would be in contravention of the Hippocratic oath and be putting put their job at risk.

And many do. To suggest that the taking of an oath is evidence against any proposed action is child-like naivety at best.

Mengele butchered and murdered children, a crime so barbaric, heinous and inhuman it can surely only be driven by dogmatic allegiance to insane ideology. We're not far off that in the Trans world. Children are being mutilated and dying by suicide. Yet the likes of you consider this so inconsequential you want to continue with the promulgation of this ideology and cite lack of clear evidence as reason for not taking action, despite the consequences.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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