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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jun 23 9.30am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's you who is fooled. You are fooling yourself. You are very far from a "normal regular person". Such people don't believe in things like "The Great Replacement" theory or bang on about whiteness and immigration in everything they write. You are part of the sizeable minority who are out of touch with the modern world and how it impacts us, along with everywhere else. I am glad though to know you haven't encountered this newspaper as that means its spread is limited, even if some of its ideas are only too familiar. Your only intention is to besmirch. That leads me to conclude that you know your counterarguments are no more than political gainsay which you know full well to be wrong. Diversion is all you have.
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jun 23 9.47am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What's easy to demonstrate is that such an extrapolation is an inaccurate way of predicting a future in which so many variables exist. Drawing straight lines is easy. The trouble is that the path isn't straight. It's full of twists, turns and forks in the road. You might not be aware of this, but in the real world, predictions are made using trends. Not wishful thinking from deluded ageing men who move to the farthest reaches of England where the spread of migrants is yet to seriously impact. Give it a little more time. There is absolutely no reason to suspect that the current trend of migration, illegal or legal, will alter anytime soon. And even if it does reduce significantly, the damage is already done. As far as 'replacement' goes. You don't seem to grasp how easily that can happen when an existing population only has a certain percentage at child bearing age with a low birth rate, and huge numbers of migrants arrive yearly at child bearing age with a higher birth rate. There is no point in trying to convince those that don't want to be convinced.
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georgenorman 14 Jun 23 10.12am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's you who is fooled. You are fooling yourself. You are very far from a "normal regular person". Such people don't believe in things like "The Great Replacement" theory or bang on about whiteness and immigration in everything they write. You are part of the sizeable minority who are out of touch with the modern world and how it impacts us, along with everywhere else. I am glad though to know you haven't encountered this newspaper as that means its spread is limited, even if some of its ideas are only too familiar. How the modern world impacts us! How many gang-rapes of children, bombings of concerts, trains and buses, stabbings, shootings and killings by vehicle have there to be before the morons of the left admit that there just might be a problem or two with mass-immigration and multi-culturalism? The answer is that no level of mayhem will make self-righteous, doctrinaire dopes face reality.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 23 10.39am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Your only intention is to besmirch. That leads me to conclude that you know your counterarguments are no more than political gainsay which you know full well to be wrong. Diversion is all you have. You manage to do all the besmirching here. No contribution is needed from others. All I do is point out the inaccuracies which, regrettably, are many in your claims. Read your post above. Who is diverting? There is no mention of the subject at all.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 23 10.57am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You might not be aware of this, but in the real world, predictions are made using trends. Not wishful thinking from deluded ageing men who move to the farthest reaches of England where the spread of migrants is yet to seriously impact. Give it a little more time. There is absolutely no reason to suspect that the current trend of migration, illegal or legal, will alter anytime soon. And even if it does reduce significantly, the damage is already done. As far as 'replacement' goes. You don't seem to grasp how easily that can happen when an existing population only has a certain percentage at child bearing age with a low birth rate, and huge numbers of migrants arrive yearly at child bearing age with a higher birth rate. There is no point in trying to convince those that don't want to be convinced.
Of course, predictions can be made using trends. No one argues otherwise. That's especially true of short-term predictions when the context of prevailing circumstances isn't going to change. It is though completely different when trying to predict what will happen many years hence, when our world is changing so fast that accurate forecasts for even a few months ahead are impossible. I am old enough to remember the arrival of previous waves of immigration. Of the Windrush generation, the open door to citizens of the Commonwealth who were automatically regarded as British, the Indians from Uganda etc etc. The noise we hear from people like you was heard then too. Predictions we would be "over-run". Back then there was naked racism. It hasn't happened. We have changed as a country, for sure. We are culturally different but we are still British. How many doctors are there who can trace their heritage to India? How many footballers can trace theirs to Africa? Listen to the pride in the voices of these people, talking with British accents about British history and heritage. We face another period of change, which itself presents some special challenges, but we won't be replaced. We will simply be changed and our great-grandchildren might read your words and wonder what on earth you were talking about. I will only make one prediction. What you predict won't happen.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 23 11.08am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
How the modern world impacts us! How many gang-rapes of children, bombings of concerts, trains and buses, stabbings, shootings and killings by vehicle have there to be before the morons of the left admit that there just might be a problem or two with mass-immigration and multi-culturalism? The answer is that no level of mayhem will make self-righteous, doctrinaire dopes face reality. All crime, whatever its source and especially violent crime, is abhorrent. Immigration and multiculturalism bring challenges. There are only two ways to respond. Moan and groan about it and expect it to disappear. Or confront it and do something to firstly mitigate it and then overcome it. We are where we are. It may not be where you would like us to be, but we are. I would be much tougher with those who try to reject British standards. If anyone chooses to live here they do so on our terms. I would be much stronger on schooling and ensure that every child was taught to respect their country. I don't want to moan and groan. I want to make things better.
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Teddy Eagle 14 Jun 23 11.21am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course, predictions can be made using trends. No one argues otherwise. That's especially true of short-term predictions when the context of prevailing circumstances isn't going to change. It is though completely different when trying to predict what will happen many years hence, when our world is changing so fast that accurate forecasts for even a few months ahead are impossible. I am old enough to remember the arrival of previous waves of immigration. Of the Windrush generation, the open door to citizens of the Commonwealth who were automatically regarded as British, the Indians from Uganda etc etc. The noise we hear from people like you was heard then too. Predictions we would be "over-run". Back then there was naked racism. It hasn't happened. We have changed as a country, for sure. We are culturally different but we are still British. How many doctors are there who can trace their heritage to India? How many footballers can trace theirs to Africa? Listen to the pride in the voices of these people, talking with British accents about British history and heritage. We face another period of change, which itself presents some special challenges, but we won't be replaced. We will simply be changed and our great-grandchildren might read your words and wonder what on earth you were talking about. I will only make one prediction. What you predict won't happen.
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georgenorman 14 Jun 23 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
All crime, whatever its source and especially violent crime, is abhorrent. Immigration and multiculturalism bring challenges. There are only two ways to respond. Moan and groan about it and expect it to disappear. Or confront it and do something to firstly mitigate it and then overcome it. We are where we are. It may not be where you would like us to be, but we are. I would be much tougher with those who try to reject British standards. If anyone chooses to live here they do so on our terms. I would be much stronger on schooling and ensure that every child was taught to respect their country. I don't want to moan and groan. I want to make things better. You downplay race riots, gang-rapes of children, bombings of concerts, trains and buses, stabbings, shootings and killings by vehicle as 'challenges'. Meanwhile you praise immigration. Edited by georgenorman (14 Jun 2023 11.38am)
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 14 Jun 23 11.38am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You downplay gang-rapes of children, bombings of concerts, trains and buses, stabbings, shootings and killings by vehicle as 'challenges'. Meanwhile you praise immigration. whilst living in predominantly 'white' Cornwall.
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jun 23 12.07pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course, predictions can be made using trends. No one argues otherwise. That's especially true of short-term predictions when the context of prevailing circumstances isn't going to change. It is though completely different when trying to predict what will happen many years hence, when our world is changing so fast that accurate forecasts for even a few months ahead are impossible. I am old enough to remember the arrival of previous waves of immigration. Of the Windrush generation, the open door to citizens of the Commonwealth who were automatically regarded as British, the Indians from Uganda etc etc. The noise we hear from people like you was heard then too. Predictions we would be "over-run". Back then there was naked racism. It hasn't happened. We have changed as a country, for sure. We are culturally different but we are still British. How many doctors are there who can trace their heritage to India? How many footballers can trace theirs to Africa? Listen to the pride in the voices of these people, talking with British accents about British history and heritage. We face another period of change, which itself presents some special challenges, but we won't be replaced. We will simply be changed and our great-grandchildren might read your words and wonder what on earth you were talking about. I will only make one prediction. What you predict won't happen. You really do live on another planet. If you can't grasp the difference between previous levels of migration and today's, then there is little point engaging. Promoting the positives does not erase the negatives, and any amount of bluster won't alter that.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 23 1.13pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Whilst there may well be more impact felt in some places than others that's nothing new and we haven't been "replaced" in any sense of the word. London and the big cities have always been a magnet for new arrivals. Whether that becomes permanent depends on all sorts of things. Some will move on, others stay in established communities and others arrive. We will cope and flourish.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 23 1.16pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You downplay race riots, gang-rapes of children, bombings of concerts, trains and buses, stabbings, shootings and killings by vehicle as 'challenges'. Meanwhile you praise immigration. Edited by georgenorman (14 Jun 2023 11.38am) If you bothered to read and understand what I said I didn't "downplay" anything. Nor do I "praise" immigration. I see it as an inevitable answer to our current situation. Should that situation change then so will our need.
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