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Teddy Eagle 13 Feb 23 12.56pm
Originally posted by Willo There has always been the "Clear and obvious error" factor, accordingly it has always been known that subjectivity would enter the equation. But VAR has disallowed goals for offside on the basis of a shoulder or toe which were neither clear or obvious.
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Teddy Eagle

13 Feb 23 12.56pm

Originally posted by Willo

There has always been the "Clear and obvious error" factor, accordingly it has always been known that subjectivity would enter the equation.

But VAR has disallowed goals for offside on the basis of a shoulder or toe which were neither clear or obvious.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Feb 23 1.01pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle But VAR has disallowed goals for offside on the basis of a shoulder or toe which were neither clear or obvious. Some calls are very marginal but trust is placed on the lines that are drawn from different angles. "Clear and obvious error" enters the equation in respect of a referee's decision with regards to a red card,penalty and mistaken identity. Edited by Willo (13 Feb 2023 1.03pm)
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Feb 23 1.01pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

But VAR has disallowed goals for offside on the basis of a shoulder or toe which were neither clear or obvious.

Some calls are very marginal but trust is placed on the lines that are drawn from different angles.

"Clear and obvious error" enters the equation in respect of a referee's decision with regards to a red card,penalty and mistaken identity.

Edited by Willo (13 Feb 2023 1.03pm)

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Teddy Eagle 13 Feb 23 1.32pm
Originally posted by Willo Some calls are very marginal but trust is placed on the lines that are drawn from different angles. "Clear and obvious error" enters the equation in respect of a referee's decision with regards to a red card,penalty and mistaken identity. Edited by Willo (13 Feb 2023 1.03pm) More than marginal. Particularly when the VAR official forgets to draw the lines. Can you imagine that happening in any other sport? I was in favour of VAR originally thinking it would help lessen the perceived (actual) big club bias but I really dislike the way it is used.
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Teddy Eagle

13 Feb 23 1.32pm

Originally posted by Willo

Some calls are very marginal but trust is placed on the lines that are drawn from different angles.

"Clear and obvious error" enters the equation in respect of a referee's decision with regards to a red card,penalty and mistaken identity.

Edited by Willo (13 Feb 2023 1.03pm)

More than marginal. Particularly when the VAR official forgets to draw the lines. Can you imagine that happening in any other sport?
I was in favour of VAR originally thinking it would help lessen the perceived (actual) big club bias but I really dislike the way it is used.

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CrazyBadger Ware 13 Feb 23 1.38pm
VAR is the combined use of technology with the humans using it. It was patently clear this weekend that the VAR solution is not working. Either the Technology is not fit for purpose, and/or the Humans are not using it correctly or competently. VAR should be withdrawn until the issue is identified and resolved. For such high profile, and high stakes matches to be officiated in such a way is ludicrous. A computer system with such flaws would be rolled back in any other environment. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 13 Feb 23 1.38pm

VAR is the combined use of technology with the humans using it. It was patently clear this weekend that the VAR solution is not working. Either the Technology is not fit for purpose, and/or the Humans are not using it correctly or competently.

VAR should be withdrawn until the issue is identified and resolved.

For such high profile, and high stakes matches to be officiated in such a way is ludicrous. A computer system with such flaws would be rolled back in any other environment.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 13 Feb 23 2.06pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger VAR is the combined use of technology with the humans using it. It was patently clear this weekend that the VAR solution is not working. Either the Technology is not fit for purpose, and/or the Humans are not using it correctly or competently. VAR should be withdrawn until the issue is identified and resolved. For such high profile, and high stakes matches to be officiated in such a way is ludicrous. A computer system with such flaws would be rolled back in any other environment. It is quite amazing that over £100 million can be spent on individual players but then an official, with access to technology, can go 'Ooops, I drew the line in the wrong place for the offside' within the same sport. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 13 Feb 23 2.06pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

VAR should be withdrawn until the issue is identified and resolved.

For such high profile, and high stakes matches to be officiated in such a way is ludicrous. A computer system with such flaws would be rolled back in any other environment.

It is quite amazing that over £100 million can be spent on individual players but then an official, with access to technology, can go 'Ooops, I drew the line in the wrong place for the offside' within the same sport.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Charlie Croker Hampshire 13 Feb 23 2.23pm
[Link] The VAR official who gave us the lifeline at the weekend has been removed from tonight's Merseyside derby duties. “My experience of life is that it is not divided up into genres; it’s a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you’re lucky."
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The VAR official who gave us the lifeline at the weekend has been removed from tonight's Merseyside derby duties.

“My experience of life is that it is not divided up into genres; it’s a horrifying, romantic, tragic, comical, science-fiction cowboy detective novel. You know, with a bit of pornography if you’re lucky."

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Teddy Eagle 13 Feb 23 2.30pm
The only surprise is that the FA haven't decided to retrospectively deduct points wrongly awarded by VAR from all clubs in SE25.
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Teddy Eagle

13 Feb 23 2.30pm

The only surprise is that the FA haven't decided to retrospectively deduct points wrongly awarded by VAR from all clubs in SE25.

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becky over the moon 13 Feb 23 3.19pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle The only surprise is that the FA haven't decided to retrospectively deduct points wrongly awarded by VAR from all clubs in SE25. Give them time.... A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 13 Feb 23 3.19pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The only surprise is that the FA haven't decided to retrospectively deduct points wrongly awarded by VAR from all clubs in SE25.

Give them time....

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 13 Feb 23 3.31pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Everyone knows that referees have a very tough job, made tougher by players' constant attempts to con them, but, as Spiderman said VAR has the advantage of repeats, different angles, slow motion, etc and yet still get it wrong. While humans make errors VAR has three of them looking over so each time this happens three people have made a mistake. I don't believe this I expect other factors are at play. The other strange one is why is a person drawing lines the computer system should be able to do this and if the three people are not happy can move it. I don't trust any of the system it's full of corrupt people which is why they hide them away and do not have to come out to public with a proper report. (VPN) - [Link] (Alt VPN) - [Link]
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grumpymort

US/Thailand/UK 13 Feb 23 3.31pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Everyone knows that referees have a very tough job, made tougher by players' constant attempts to con them, but, as Spiderman said VAR has the advantage of repeats, different angles, slow motion, etc and yet still get it wrong.

While humans make errors VAR has three of them looking over so each time this happens three people have made a mistake.

I don't believe this I expect other factors are at play.

The other strange one is why is a person drawing lines the computer system should be able to do this and if the three people are not happy can move it.

I don't trust any of the system it's full of corrupt people which is why they hide them away and do not have to come out to public with a proper report.

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Spiderman Horsham 13 Feb 23 3.59pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle The only surprise is that the FA haven't decided to retrospectively deduct points wrongly awarded by VAR from all clubs in SE25. Watch us get diddly squat in the reverse fixture. The powers that be will look after their pal Mr Barber
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Spiderman

Horsham 13 Feb 23 3.59pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The only surprise is that the FA haven't decided to retrospectively deduct points wrongly awarded by VAR from all clubs in SE25.

Watch us get diddly squat in the reverse fixture. The powers that be will look after their pal Mr Barber

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Spiderman Horsham 13 Feb 23 4.04pm
Originally posted by grumpymort While humans make errors VAR has three of them looking over so each time this happens three people have made a mistake. I don't believe this I expect other factors are at play. The other strange one is why is a person drawing lines the computer system should be able to do this and if the three people are not happy can move it. I don't trust any of the system it's full of corrupt people which is why they hide them away and do not have to come out to public with a proper report. The system used at the WC seemed impressive, with all the money in the game, you have to wonder why those in charge haven’t purchased it already. I have always said, the fans should be able to hear the communication between ref and VAR ( Rugbyis brilliant fir this imo). The fact this does not appear to be on the table does leave it open for accusations of bias or something more sinister
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Spiderman

Horsham 13 Feb 23 4.04pm

Originally posted by grumpymort

While humans make errors VAR has three of them looking over so each time this happens three people have made a mistake.

I don't believe this I expect other factors are at play.

The other strange one is why is a person drawing lines the computer system should be able to do this and if the three people are not happy can move it.

I don't trust any of the system it's full of corrupt people which is why they hide them away and do not have to come out to public with a proper report.

The system used at the WC seemed impressive, with all the money in the game, you have to wonder why those in charge haven’t purchased it already.
I have always said, the fans should be able to hear the communication between ref and VAR ( Rugbyis brilliant fir this imo). The fact this does not appear to be on the table does leave it open for accusations of bias or something more sinister

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Teddy Eagle 13 Feb 23 4.11pm
Originally posted by Spiderman The system used at the WC seemed impressive, with all the money in the game, you have to wonder why those in charge haven’t purchased it already. I have always said, the fans should be able to hear the communication between ref and VAR ( Rugbyis brilliant fir this imo). The fact this does not appear to be on the table does leave it open for accusations of bias or something more sinister Cricket does it well too.
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Teddy Eagle

13 Feb 23 4.11pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Cricket does it well too.

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