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georgenorman 26 Dec 22 8.35am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Of course people who stand on a street silently aren't intimidating! Who suggested they are? Nor does it matter what others think. It's not the standing, the silence or the thinking. It's the where. It's the context. If they stand where someone is likely to feel intimidated then ensuring they stand somewhere else is a kindness. They can stand and pray elsewhere to their hearts content and there is no risk of anyone feeling intimidated. So who loses? Only they do and then only if their true desire is not to pray, but to intimidate. That this lady, or you, either don't understand, or don't care, is beside the point. Those with the authority to make the regulations do. So someone standing silently near an abortion clinic, while being unaware that it is an abortion clinic, should be arrested because someone else might be intimidated by them standing there. Certainly the authorities are making these intimidating regulations, that's the point being made - that it is repressive regulation that has no place in a free society. By the way, is there a regulation that says that police officers should be arrested if the person they are trying to arrest for being silently intimidating, is themselve intimidated by the arresting officers? Edited by georgenorman (26 Dec 2022 8.36am)
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26 Dec 22 8.35am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Of course people who stand on a street silently aren't intimidating! Who suggested they are? Nor does it matter what others think. It's not the standing, the silence or the thinking. It's the where. It's the context. If they stand where someone is likely to feel intimidated then ensuring they stand somewhere else is a kindness. They can stand and pray elsewhere to their hearts content and there is no risk of anyone feeling intimidated. So who loses? Only they do and then only if their true desire is not to pray, but to intimidate.

That this lady, or you, either don't understand, or don't care, is beside the point. Those with the authority to make the regulations do.

So someone standing silently near an abortion clinic, while being unaware that it is an abortion clinic, should be arrested because someone else might be intimidated by them standing there.
Certainly the authorities are making these intimidating regulations, that's the point being made - that it is repressive regulation that has no place in a free society.
By the way, is there a regulation that says that police officers should be arrested if the person they are trying to arrest for being silently intimidating, is themselve intimidated by the arresting officers?

Edited by georgenorman (26 Dec 2022 8.36am)

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georgenorman 26 Dec 22 8.37am
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Mapletree Croydon 26 Dec 22 10.16am
My goodness. I had not realised the scale of the prayer preying industry in the US. This is just another American madness that should be kept away from our shores. The ‘outrage’ isn’t there, it’s just US religious media spotting a business opportunity. These people predate on young, desperate women and make one of the most terrible days of their lives worse This barking mad woman had previously been arrested four times. She is the poster child of breaching Public Space Protection Orders, set up to prevent harassment and intimidation.
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Croydon 26 Dec 22 10.16am

My goodness. I had not realised the scale of the prayer preying industry in the US.

This is just another American madness that should be kept away from our shores. The ‘outrage’ isn’t there, it’s just US religious media spotting a business opportunity.

These people predate on young, desperate women and make one of the most terrible days of their lives worse

This barking mad woman had previously been arrested four times. She is the poster child of breaching Public Space Protection Orders, set up to prevent harassment and intimidation.

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Mapletree Croydon 26 Dec 22 10.25am
Originally posted by georgenorman So someone standing silently near an abortion clinic, while being unaware that it is an abortion clinic, should be arrested because someone else might be intimidated by them standing there. Certainly the authorities are making these intimidating regulations, that's the point being made - that it is repressive regulation that has no place in a free society. By the way, is there a regulation that says that police officers should be arrested if the person they are trying to arrest for being silently intimidating, is themselve intimidated by the arresting officers? Edited by georgenorman (26 Dec 2022 8.36am) She was unaware of the abortion clinic despite having been arrested outside it four previous times? Or is your comment about a theoretic case?
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Croydon 26 Dec 22 10.25am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Edited by georgenorman (26 Dec 2022 8.36am)

She was unaware of the abortion clinic despite having been arrested outside it four previous times? Or is your comment about a theoretic case?

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chris123 hove actually 26 Dec 22 10.35am
Originally posted by Mapletree She was unaware of the abortion clinic despite having been arrested outside it four previous times? Or is your comment about a theoretic case? Hardly harassing behaviour though?
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hove actually 26 Dec 22 10.35am

Originally posted by Mapletree

She was unaware of the abortion clinic despite having been arrested outside it four previous times? Or is your comment about a theoretic case?

Hardly harassing behaviour though?

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Mapletree Croydon 26 Dec 22 10.41am
Originally posted by chris123 Hardly harassing behaviour though? How did you feel just before your last abortion? The behaviour is designed simply to prevent an abortion taking place. As such it is cruel and malicious. Edited by Mapletree (26 Dec 2022 10.44am)
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Croydon 26 Dec 22 10.41am

Originally posted by chris123

Hardly harassing behaviour though?

How did you feel just before your last abortion?

The behaviour is designed simply to prevent an abortion taking place. As such it is cruel and malicious.

Edited by Mapletree (26 Dec 2022 10.44am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 10.52am
Originally posted by YT Thanks for that simple clarification of the fact that the law is an ass. It means that a woman inside the clinic, or on her way to the clinic, praying for a successful outcome to her abortion procedure would be committing a criminal act. Edited by YT (26 Dec 2022 8.28am) No it doesn't. The restraining order will specifically apply to a defined area outside the clinic and to actions that, in the opinion of those administering it, (usually the police), might lead to a breach. Thus, some interpretation of its application will be applied. It's not a rigid one size fits all law. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 10.52am

Originally posted by YT

Thanks for that simple clarification of the fact that the law is an ass.

It means that a woman inside the clinic, or on her way to the clinic, praying for a successful outcome to her abortion procedure would be committing a criminal act.

Edited by YT (26 Dec 2022 8.28am)

No it doesn't. The restraining order will specifically apply to a defined area outside the clinic and to actions that, in the opinion of those administering it, (usually the police), might lead to a breach. Thus, some interpretation of its application will be applied. It's not a rigid one size fits all law.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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chris123 hove actually 26 Dec 22 10.54am
Originally posted by Mapletree How did you feel just before your last abortion? The behaviour is designed simply to prevent an abortion taking place. As such it is cruel and malicious. Edited by Mapletree (26 Dec 2022 10.44am) Praying a probited behaviour?
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hove actually 26 Dec 22 10.54am

Originally posted by Mapletree

How did you feel just before your last abortion?

The behaviour is designed simply to prevent an abortion taking place. As such it is cruel and malicious.

Edited by Mapletree (26 Dec 2022 10.44am)

Praying a probited behaviour?

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 10.57am
Originally posted by HKOwen As things stand, anyone who pauses or stands near that address if reported by someone will very possibly be arrested for what they are thinking, or what the thought police think their intentions are. That cannot be right. It isn't right. No-one would be arrested for what they are thinking. They would be arrested, after interview, for what they are doing. It's the standing in a particular location that's the doing. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 10.57am

Originally posted by HKOwen

As things stand, anyone who pauses or stands near that address if reported by someone will very possibly be arrested for what they are thinking, or what the thought police think their intentions are.

That cannot be right.

It isn't right.

No-one would be arrested for what they are thinking. They would be arrested, after interview, for what they are doing. It's the standing in a particular location that's the doing.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 11.07am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Seems unlikely that women would find another a woman standing with her eyes closed more intimidating than a man in their changing room. No doubt true for every woman except those we are actually discussing. It's very revealing that all the posts, other than mine, are centred on the right of the lady to pray wherever she wants and not on those who these orders are designed to protect. No-one is stopping the lady silently praying anywhere except in a small area around an abortion clinic. Unless she wishes to influence the decision-making of someone else, why does that matter? She can pray. She cannot try to exert unrequested pressure. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 11.07am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Seems unlikely that women would find another a woman standing with her eyes closed more intimidating than a man in their changing room.

No doubt true for every woman except those we are actually discussing.

It's very revealing that all the posts, other than mine, are centred on the right of the lady to pray wherever she wants and not on those who these orders are designed to protect.

No-one is stopping the lady silently praying anywhere except in a small area around an abortion clinic. Unless she wishes to influence the decision-making of someone else, why does that matter?

She can pray. She cannot try to exert unrequested pressure.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 11.17am
Originally posted by georgenorman So someone standing silently near an abortion clinic, while being unaware that it is an abortion clinic, should be arrested because someone else might be intimidated by them standing there. Certainly the authorities are making these intimidating regulations, that's the point being made - that it is repressive regulation that has no place in a free society. By the way, is there a regulation that says that police officers should be arrested if the person they are trying to arrest for being silently intimidating, is themselve intimidated by the arresting officers? Edited by georgenorman (26 Dec 2022 8.36am) Anyone genuinely unaware and just standing still wouldn't be arrested! They would be quietly spoken to, their reasons ascertained, and be either helped or asked to move on. There's nothing the least repressive or intimidating involved. It's the reverse. It's to avoid repressive and intimidating behaviour. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 26 Dec 22 11.17am

Originally posted by georgenorman

Edited by georgenorman (26 Dec 2022 8.36am)

Anyone genuinely unaware and just standing still wouldn't be arrested! They would be quietly spoken to, their reasons ascertained, and be either helped or asked to move on. There's nothing the least repressive or intimidating involved. It's the reverse. It's to avoid repressive and intimidating behaviour.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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YT Oxford 26 Dec 22 11.26am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No it doesn't. The restraining order will specifically apply to a defined area outside the clinic and to actions that, in the opinion of those administering it, (usually the police), might lead to a breach. Thus, some interpretation of its application will be applied. It's not a rigid one size fits all law. You've already proven that this law is an ass. You don't have to keep doing so. Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 26 Dec 22 11.26am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You've already proven that this law is an ass. You don't have to keep doing so.

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

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