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 EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 15 Dec 22 12.30pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
It seems that in today's world protests and strikes are designed to cause maximum damage to the maximum number of people, the hope being that the innocent public that are inconvenienced will somehow support those causing the inconvenience. So, in the case of the train strike workers how about this: Is that too simple a solution or do the unions have some form of sadistic mentality? Obviously strikes are meant to be inconvenient or they're totally worthless, aren't they? Your suggestion obviously doesn't work because the railway companies are not going to agree to it - it's not up to ground-level staff to decide it's a free service for the day, nor is it up to the unions.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 15 Dec 22 12.33pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
But are they though? How much in wages have the railway workers lost so far in unpaid strike days which will in all probability wipe out whatever raise they eventually get It's not just about pay as they have said many hundreds of times by now. It's also about safety on the job, working conditions and job security.
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 15 Dec 22 12.55pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Obviously strikes are meant to be inconvenient or they're totally worthless, aren't they? Your suggestion obviously doesn't work because the railway companies are not going to agree to it - it's not up to ground-level staff to decide it's a free service for the day, nor is it up to the unions.
Sorry but I don't understand your comment. You say that the railway companies are not going to agree to free travel, but are they agreeing to the strikes? I thought it was the unions, not the railway companies that were calling for and holding the strikes.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 15 Dec 22 1.01pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
Sorry but I don't understand your comment. You say that the railway companies are not going to agree to free travel, but are they agreeing to the strikes? I thought it was the unions, not the railway companies that were calling for and holding the strikes. Withdrawing labour is very different to offering a free service you have no authority to offer.
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 15 Dec 22 1.11pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Withdrawing labour is very different to offering a free service you have no authority to offer. But surely the union could be selective in which labour they withdraw? Just don't man the ticket booths. The Government/train companies would then suffer (depending on what the contract is) and not the general public.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 15 Dec 22 1.22pm |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
But surely the union could be selective in which labour they withdraw? Just don't man the ticket booths. The Government/train companies would then suffer (depending on what the contract is) and not the general public. The train companies never suffer because our government subsidise them every time there is strike action. Any decision to offer free travel is with the rail companies, not the unions. If you work in a shop, you can opt not to go to work, but you can start offering out free stock.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 15 Dec 22 1.41pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
It's not just about pay as they have said many hundreds of times by now. It's also about safety on the job, working conditions and job security. Have you seen the winter timetable for your area? Southeastern has savagely cut back on lines and number of trains although they deny it. Well if there are less trains than you don't need as many workers. I think this is a major reason for the strike.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 15 Dec 22 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Have you seen the winter timetable for your area? Southeastern has savagely cut back on lines and number of trains although they deny it. Well if there are less trains than you don't need as many workers. I think this is a major reason for the strike. I haven’t specifically. My understanding was the job security point was around automation of certain parts of the work and protection from redundancies. The rail companies are also trying to remove guards from the train, so you only have a driver - I’m sure there won’t be any discount in what they charge consumers as a result.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 15 Dec 22 1.59pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I haven’t specifically. My understanding was the job security point was around automation of certain parts of the work and protection from redundancies. The rail companies are also trying to remove guards from the train, so you only have a driver - I’m sure there won’t be any discount in what they charge consumers as a result. This is just a small example of what's to come later down the line (no pun intended) across a whole swathe of other industries as automation becomes more and more prevalent. Can't blame the workers for striking – but there is a looming sense of inevitability about job losses in the near future. Trains will become automated, ticket booths will disappear. So fair enough, grab what you can now and try and delay it... but you can't fight the tide. If you're in accountancy, get to partner level quickly, because that's one massive industry where automation and AI are going to drastically reduce the need for a menial workforce.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 15 Dec 22 2.08pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I haven’t specifically. My understanding was the job security point was around automation of certain parts of the work and protection from redundancies. The rail companies are also trying to remove guards from the train, so you only have a driver - I’m sure there won’t be any discount in what they charge consumers as a result. Sure all that as well.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 15 Dec 22 2.08pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
This is just a small example of what's to come later down the line (no pun intended) across a whole swathe of other industries as automation becomes more and more prevalent. Can't blame the workers for striking – but there is a looming sense of inevitability about job losses in the near future. Trains will become automated, ticket booths will disappear. So fair enough, grab what you can now and try and delay it... but you can't fight the tide. If you're in accountancy, get to partner level quickly, because that's one massive industry where automation and AI are going to drastically reduce the need for a menial workforce. Pffft... It's already been done. Edited by Nicholas91 (15 Dec 2022 2.09pm)
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| Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 15 Dec 22 4.59pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
The train companies never suffer because our government subsidise them every time there is strike action. Any decision to offer free travel is with the rail companies, not the unions. If you work in a shop, you can opt not to go to work, but you can start offering out free stock. So the train companies get paid whether the trains run or not during a strike. So who gets the ticket revenue when the trains do run - the Government or the rail companies?
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