That's not true, though, is it?

We are not discussing flamboyant, attention seeking drag artists.

You would never know whether the kind of person we are discussing has transitioned, when they think, look, behave and dress like a woman.

What is being demanded is the precise opposite. You are expecting them to be forced to go along with your wishes and put themselves at risk by using male changing rooms and toilets.

Men who remain as men and attempt to take advantage of this (even if there is little or no evidence this actually happens) need to be treated separately.

It is unscientific, in fact it is 'anti-science'. You show me the evidence an individual can magically change their gender and I will concede. Gender is attributed through genetics and biological make up, not subjective opinion.

You also show me any evidence that women, within the confines of a dressing room or toilet, are more or even equally, or even anything close to be the victim of, or more vulnerable to, other woman as they are to a man and again I will rethink my position. I'd also like to see any evidence that a significant let alone majority of females agree to this. I think Primark are the latest to come under fire for caving into illogical and ideological nonsense.

It is not unsubstantiated, it is a fact that humans, as biological creatures, are what they are. There is nothing to dispute this. I'm not saying your grandchild may be deluded in their belief that they are something else other than what they are but it is a biological fact, once again. You are only harming a delusional person by indulging this fantasy. If their choice is to live, dress and act as a different gender that is their prerogative and freedom however it is not scientific by even the remotest stretch of any imagination and should not be treated as such.

For all your ideological nonsense, to which you are just as entitled as others are to disagree, do not get involved in debates which rely upon more than your subjective opinions, you literally have nothing in this one. I can only hope the best for your grandchild however if they are surrounded by those so completely lost in their thinking as you have demonstrated, I do at the very least pity them.

This has nothing to do with prejudices so stop pathetically resorting to your childish and yet again intellectually bereft snipes which are nothing less than an attempt to deflect debate.

Edited by Nicholas91 (29 Sep 2022 6.15pm)

Complete the transition and there wouldn't be a problem. Prior to that it's still a man however he "feels" - get changed next to someone's daughter and get knocked out. That's how lots of blokes "identify".

The point is that they would know if a man was walking around in their changing room. Why bother having separate facilities if anyone can just choose which one to use?

Hence my original comment about transitioned people. If completed then there's no issue. If not then there is regardless of how they feel.