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MrRobbo Chaldon 09 May 22 11.38am
Originally posted by Badger11 He should only go if he knows he will be first choice at the new club and that club has a realistic chance of winning trophies. I suspect his options will be: Be central to something exciting at Palace on lots of money or A bit part squad player at one of the 3 clubs in the country that offer CL and genuine trophies chances (probs on less money) For the stage he is in his career, both are decent options. And for the first time we are offering a footballing benefit, not just good wages
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Chaldon 09 May 22 11.38am

Originally posted by Badger11

He should only go if he knows he will be first choice at the new club and that club has a realistic chance of winning trophies.

I suspect his options will be:

Be central to something exciting at Palace on lots of money

A bit part squad player at one of the 3 clubs in the country that offer CL and genuine trophies chances (probs on less money)

For the stage he is in his career, both are decent options. And for the first time we are offering a footballing benefit, not just good wages

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Badger11 Beckenham 09 May 22 12.05pm
Originally posted by MrRobbo I suspect his options will be: Be central to something exciting at Palace on lots of money or A bit part squad player at one of the 3 clubs in the country that offer CL and genuine trophies chances (probs on less money) For the stage he is in his career, both are decent options. And for the first time we are offering a footballing benefit, not just good wages You could be right but Wilf is not the sort of player to be happy warming the bench. He sulked at Moan United big time. I get that he wants to win things but only if he is seen as a first choice he is better off staying with us and the Big Pat revolution. If we can keep PV and the key players I see only good things. Edited by Badger11 (09 May 2022 12.06pm) One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 09 May 22 12.05pm

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I suspect his options will be:

Be central to something exciting at Palace on lots of money

A bit part squad player at one of the 3 clubs in the country that offer CL and genuine trophies chances (probs on less money)

For the stage he is in his career, both are decent options. And for the first time we are offering a footballing benefit, not just good wages

You could be right but Wilf is not the sort of player to be happy warming the bench. He sulked at Moan United big time.

I get that he wants to win things but only if he is seen as a first choice he is better off staying with us and the Big Pat revolution.

If we can keep PV and the key players I see only good things.

Edited by Badger11 (09 May 2022 12.06pm)

One more point

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MrRobbo Chaldon 09 May 22 1.41pm
Originally posted by Badger11 You could be right but Wilf is not the sort of player to be happy warming the bench. He sulked at Moan United big time. I get that he wants to win things but only if he is seen as a first choice he is better off staying with us and the Big Pat revolution. If we can keep PV and the key players I see only good things. Edited by Badger11 (09 May 2022 12.06pm) and hence the dilemma he has. Be important or have the chance of win stuff. I also don't think he's going to be happy being a bench warmer, but this season Chelsea, Liverpool and Man city will win all the trophies. And he aint a starter there. But to be fair to him there are a lot of good players that also don't start every week, thats the game at the top
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Chaldon 09 May 22 1.41pm

Originally posted by Badger11

You could be right but Wilf is not the sort of player to be happy warming the bench. He sulked at Moan United big time.

I get that he wants to win things but only if he is seen as a first choice he is better off staying with us and the Big Pat revolution.

If we can keep PV and the key players I see only good things.

Edited by Badger11 (09 May 2022 12.06pm)

and hence the dilemma he has. Be important or have the chance of win stuff.

I also don't think he's going to be happy being a bench warmer, but this season Chelsea, Liverpool and Man city will win all the trophies.

And he aint a starter there. But to be fair to him there are a lot of good players that also don't start every week, thats the game at the top

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CrazyBadger Ware 09 May 22 2.15pm
Originally posted by MrRobbo I suspect his options will be: Be central to something exciting at Palace on lots of money or A bit part squad player at one of the 3 clubs in the country that offer CL and genuine trophies chances (probs on less money) For the stage he is in his career, both are decent options. And for the first time we are offering a footballing benefit, not just good wages Surely the third option is more likely; Move to a top European Club - which he'll have more chance of getting in the starting lineup AND figt for titles AND play in europe. thinking Dortmund/inter/Atletico etc etc. jeez, if Traore can get a move to barca.... "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 09 May 22 2.15pm

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I suspect his options will be:

Be central to something exciting at Palace on lots of money

A bit part squad player at one of the 3 clubs in the country that offer CL and genuine trophies chances (probs on less money)

For the stage he is in his career, both are decent options. And for the first time we are offering a footballing benefit, not just good wages

Surely the third option is more likely; Move to a top European Club - which he'll have more chance of getting in the starting lineup AND figt for titles AND play in europe. thinking Dortmund/inter/Atletico etc etc.
jeez, if Traore can get a move to barca....

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 09 May 22 2.35pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger Surely the third option is more likely; Move to a top European Club - which he'll have more chance of getting in the starting lineup AND figt for titles AND play in europe. thinking Dortmund/inter/Atletico etc etc. jeez, if Traore can get a move to barca.... Just off topic slightly but aren't they looking to ship him back? I may have completely mis-remembered everything I've heard on the matter! I think it will play on Zaha's mind forever the feeling that he could have been something more. Settling for a legendary status here however and being an integral part of a PL dynasty (hopefully) is not too bad though. At his peak, in his prime or what have you, Zaha for me was arguably one of the best wingers in the world, at the very least CL quality. I just don't think he ever had a head on his shoulders, or perhaps a guiding hand, to manage himself correctly through his career. His best days certainly look behind him however he has been the best Palace player of my lifetime and the figurehead of recent success. I hope he stays however if not I hope any move works out well for him. I'd hate for him to, say, have a non-descript, bit-part spell at 'Europa League FC' before realising we've even moved on from him which results in him getting a 1-2 year contract at Bournemouth or somewhere to see out his career unspectacularly. Could very well happen. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 09 May 22 2.35pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

Just off topic slightly but aren't they looking to ship him back? I may have completely mis-remembered everything I've heard on the matter!

I think it will play on Zaha's mind forever the feeling that he could have been something more. Settling for a legendary status here however and being an integral part of a PL dynasty (hopefully) is not too bad though.

At his peak, in his prime or what have you, Zaha for me was arguably one of the best wingers in the world, at the very least CL quality. I just don't think he ever had a head on his shoulders, or perhaps a guiding hand, to manage himself correctly through his career.

His best days certainly look behind him however he has been the best Palace player of my lifetime and the figurehead of recent success. I hope he stays however if not I hope any move works out well for him. I'd hate for him to, say, have a non-descript, bit-part spell at 'Europa League FC' before realising we've even moved on from him which results in him getting a 1-2 year contract at Bournemouth or somewhere to see out his career unspectacularly. Could very well happen.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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topcat Holmesdale / Surbiton 09 May 22 2.53pm
Wilf. I could see him going to West Ham and playing in Europe but I can't see him playing for any of the other English clubs who could play in Europe. He could possibly join Newcastle or Villa with the hope that they push on and into Europe the following season. They only other team that would pay big wages is Everton and I can't see that happening. I don't really follow any European clubs but there must be one or two that could afford £100k plus although I don't know if they would pay a decent transfer fee on top. Olise. A big club could easily take a punt and I suspect we would sell for £40 million plus. Another good season and that could be £60 million plus. Be a shame to see either of them leave but all players are replaceable, I just hope that Dougie has players in mind that could do the job. It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.
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Holmesdale / Surbiton 09 May 22 2.53pm

Wilf.
I could see him going to West Ham and playing in Europe but I can't see him playing for any of the other English clubs who could play in Europe. He could possibly join Newcastle or Villa with the hope that they push on and into Europe the following season. They only other team that would pay big wages is Everton and I can't see that happening.
I don't really follow any European clubs but there must be one or two that could afford £100k plus although I don't know if they would pay a decent transfer fee on top.

Olise.
A big club could easily take a punt and I suspect we would sell for £40 million plus. Another good season and that could be £60 million plus.

Be a shame to see either of them leave but all players are replaceable, I just hope that Dougie has players in mind that could do the job.

It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark... and we're wearing sunglasses.

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MrRobbo Chaldon 09 May 22 3.05pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger Surely the third option is more likely; Move to a top European Club - which he'll have more chance of getting in the starting lineup AND figt for titles AND play in europe. thinking Dortmund/inter/Atletico etc etc. jeez, if Traore can get a move to barca.... I discounted that 3rd option. Just cant see Wilf moving abroad... couldn't settle in Manchester, couldn't settle in Cardiff. Seams like the type of guy that needs his people around him. Not moving, (potentially by himself) to a country where he doesn't speak the language.
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Chaldon 09 May 22 3.05pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I discounted that 3rd option. Just cant see Wilf moving abroad... couldn't settle in Manchester, couldn't settle in Cardiff.

Seams like the type of guy that needs his people around him. Not moving, (potentially by himself) to a country where he doesn't speak the language.

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EagleinSF San Fransisco 09 May 22 3.12pm
The only place I could see him going in the Prem is Arsenal. He'd fit in well and they're in Europe and probably the CL. Otherwise I think he'll stay here.
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San Fransisco 09 May 22 3.12pm

The only place I could see him going in the Prem is Arsenal. He'd fit in well and they're in Europe and probably the CL. Otherwise I think he'll stay here.

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CrazyBadger Ware 09 May 22 3.14pm
Originally posted by MrRobbo I discounted that 3rd option. Just cant see Wilf moving abroad... couldn't settle in Manchester, couldn't settle in Cardiff. Seams like the type of guy that needs his people around him. Not moving, (potentially by himself) to a country where he doesn't speak the language. yeah, fair enough. Doesn't seem to 'like' playing for Ivory coast either. Though if he's going to move, I think a move abroad is more likely than one to the top 6. "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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Ware 09 May 22 3.14pm

Originally posted by MrRobbo

I discounted that 3rd option. Just cant see Wilf moving abroad... couldn't settle in Manchester, couldn't settle in Cardiff.

Seams like the type of guy that needs his people around him. Not moving, (potentially by himself) to a country where he doesn't speak the language.

yeah, fair enough. Doesn't seem to 'like' playing for Ivory coast either. Though if he's going to move, I think a move abroad is more likely than one to the top 6.

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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CrazyBadger Ware 09 May 22 3.25pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Just off topic slightly but aren't they looking to ship him back? I may have completely mis-remembered everything I've heard on the matter! I think it will play on Zaha's mind forever the feeling that he could have been something more. Settling for a legendary status here however and being an integral part of a PL dynasty (hopefully) is not too bad though. At his peak, in his prime or what have you, Zaha for me was arguably one of the best wingers in the world, at the very least CL quality. I just don't think he ever had a head on his shoulders, or perhaps a guiding hand, to manage himself correctly through his career. His best days certainly look behind him however he has been the best Palace player of my lifetime and the figurehead of recent success. I hope he stays however if not I hope any move works out well for him. I'd hate for him to, say, have a non-descript, bit-part spell at 'Europa League FC' before realising we've even moved on from him which results in him getting a 1-2 year contract at Bournemouth or somewhere to see out his career unspectacularly. Could very well happen. Think he went there on Loan from Wolves. I think they have an option to buy, but either barca don't want him, or Wolves want him back. Problem with wilf has always been his end product. Too often he doesn't have one then all of a sudden he'll pull something remarkable out the bag to remind you what he's capable of. Doesn't do it every game though. That's enough for a club like us. Is it enough for a Club fighting in Europe? not for The big boys. but maybe a 'Europa League FC' would be the perfect fit. Hope not. right now, he's fitting pretty damn well into our team "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"
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CrazyBadger

Ware 09 May 22 3.25pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Just off topic slightly but aren't they looking to ship him back? I may have completely mis-remembered everything I've heard on the matter!

Think he went there on Loan from Wolves. I think they have an option to buy, but either barca don't want him, or Wolves want him back.

Problem with wilf has always been his end product. Too often he doesn't have one then all of a sudden he'll pull something remarkable out the bag to remind you what he's capable of. Doesn't do it every game though. That's enough for a club like us.
Is it enough for a Club fighting in Europe? not for The big boys. but maybe a 'Europa League FC' would be the perfect fit.

Hope not. right now, he's fitting pretty damn well into our team

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

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MrRobbo Chaldon 09 May 22 3.32pm
Originally posted by EagleinSF The only place I could see him going in the Prem is Arsenal. He'd fit in well and they're in Europe and probably the CL. Otherwise I think he'll stay here. This is where I'd put all my chips. He supports Arsenal Gets to stay at home Gets to play in Europe (Still unlikely to win anything mind) Who knows Patrick might be there in a couple of years too! (Unless Newcastle come sniffing around this window)
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Chaldon 09 May 22 3.32pm

Originally posted by EagleinSF

The only place I could see him going in the Prem is Arsenal. He'd fit in well and they're in Europe and probably the CL. Otherwise I think he'll stay here.

This is where I'd put all my chips.

He supports Arsenal
Gets to stay at home
Gets to play in Europe
(Still unlikely to win anything mind)

Who knows Patrick might be there in a couple of years too!

(Unless Newcastle come sniffing around this window)

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