It's okay in my view to change your flag to Ukrainian in support of their suffering, but then people start denigrating Putin. I'm not a Putin follower, but I admit to not knowing enough about what is really happening, and I sure as hell don't believe what my western media tells me, nor do I trust western leaders to be any less of a 'Hitler' than Putin. These last two years have shown me what an undemocratic, fascist country (Australia) I actually live in. God bless and help the people of Ukraine but don't ask me to buy the western narratives because they are full of sh1t and probably much more dangerous, brutal and freedom-hating than Mr. Putin. In fact, it's probably why they hate him.

Good to know the education system still works ....

I think I'll say a few words on this flag thing.

I've mocked it a bit, though as a serious point we all know that people express themselves differently and if someone wants to change their flag that's for them.

Personally, I don't see the practical point as I doubt anyone in the Ukraine is actually going to see it....and if they did I'm not sure what real difference it's going to make to someone actually suffering in a war zone.

If you contribute money or resources like food or whatever that wouldn't perhaps attract scepticism.

No, in my view it's more designed to make someone feel better by including themselves within a consensus. If that's important to people then as I say it's no real big deal.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2022 9.57am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Don't disagree Stirling. I'm sure that not many of us actually thought that Ukranians would notice if we changed our little flags.

My own reason was simply to demonstrate, on these pages, my absolute horror that this appalling war has the potential to destroy the peaceful lives all of us have tried to enjoy since our ancestors sacrificed so much to enable us to do so. And also to show whose side I'm on. And it's definitely not Putin's!

Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled.

It's amazing how people have been indoctrinated against the West to think that 'anything' or 'anyone' is by default better and somehow being unfairly treated. It's a outlook shared by those leaning most than most the political left and right too, so you can find yourself batting away all types of this self hating stuff. I'm not sure that anyone has ever claimed that the West is without fault, but it really is undermined by imagining that Putin's Russia is somehow less 'dangerous, brutal and freedom hating' than us.

There was a post on here earlier, saying let him take Ukraine, cheering on the war and suggesting that he go much further because he couldn't do a worse job. Some have literally taken 'we're terrible too' to such as an extent that they barely fall short of hoping that we are attacked. There is most certainly a point where some claiming a greater love of country than most, is cover for actively hating their country and countrymen unless it's precisely what they want it to be. Putin has a much tighter grip on his population. You literally would not be making these statements about Russia, in Russia. You cannot even acknowledge that a war is taking place, and yet he is the one to be believed?

Certainty, there are valid views of NATOs approach prior, but we're in the now, and if the West are 'bad' and not to be believed but Putin's very real and extensive propaganda machine (with accompanying war denial, imprisonments etc) is what we should be giving the benefit of the doubt to instead, then God help us. There's a bit of a difference between temporarily vaccine restrictions (many of which I disagreed with too and are on the way out anyway) and getting shelled and killed as you're travelling down a agreed 'safe corridor' because your neighbour is indiscriminately bombing you.

Edited by BlueJay (08 Mar 2022 1.13pm)

I'm still waiting for you to highlight the lies you accuse me of. It seems that you cannot do this. Therefore, it appears that you are the liar. Until you are able to validate your claims, everything you say about me is not based in fact.

All the rest of your posts are distraction, misdirection, accusatory, obfuscation, and general 'whataboutery'.

Validate your accusations.

BTW, none of this nonsense should be on these pages. Virtue signalling has no place in society, let alone a football forum about Palace, where the topic is Palace Talk.

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers