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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 11 Oct 21 3.00pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
And when that's gone in 9 years with inflation then what? Do you ever think your anger is targeted at the wrong people? Who might have an interest in convincing you that the poorest in society should bear the brunt of your frustration? 40% of people on universal credit are in work. The fact wages have not even come close to matching inflation over decades is not their fault, and it's very clear who has been benefitting during that time. Is it right that people who are genuinely struggling to make ends meet or feed their families should go without just in case there is some people who take the piss? Or you think everyone should starve just in case there are some chancers?
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steeleye20 Croydon 11 Oct 21 3.36pm | |
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Pushing people into poverty is economically illiterate. We should not be doing this in 2021 with its history of failure, what is the economy for if not our people. One thing we could actually do is re-direct QE to poorer families, giving them money to spend and stimulating demand, Keynesian theory. QE has not been causing inflation this time. Forget high wages, it means rising inflation prices and therefore uncompetitive, unless you could make huge productivity gains at which I'm afraid we are spectacularly bad. The biggest problem we have is not being in the single market imo, we are no longer competitive with europe. Maintaining an empirical fantasy in the South China Sea, ill-thought out projects like HS2, corruption, still lords and ladies and serfs, and brexit itself which is clearly going to be ruinous. Looking at Tony Robinson re-visiting Suez last night I was struck how similar the circumstances are now. In that case the economy could no longer bear the cost of the war, but we haven't really learnt its lesson well enough. A Prime Minister, Eden, vain and totally uncomprehending of the real world situation, blustering and deceiving everybody, who does he remind you of?
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 11 Oct 21 3.51pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Pushing people into poverty is economically illiterate. We should not be doing this in 2021 with its history of failure, what is the economy for if not our people. One thing we could actually do is re-direct QE to poorer families, giving them money to spend and stimulating demand, Keynesian theory. QE has not been causing inflation this time. Forget high wages, it means rising inflation prices and therefore uncompetitive, unless you could make huge productivity gains at which I'm afraid we are spectacularly bad. The biggest problem we have is not being in the single market imo, we are no longer competitive with europe. Maintaining an empirical fantasy in the South China Sea, ill-thought out projects like HS2, corruption, still lords and ladies and serfs, and brexit itself which is clearly going to be ruinous. Looking at Tony Robinson re-visiting Suez last night I was struck how similar the circumstances are now. In that case the economy could no longer bear the cost of the war, but we haven't really learnt its lesson well enough. A Prime Minister, Eden, vain and totally uncomprehending of the real world situation, blustering and deceiving everybody, who does he remind you of?
The Suez went like clockwork. The issue was the USA and Middle Eastern States colluding to cut off the oil. Really, Britain should have a huge issue with the US over that. It wasn't money, in the way you state, or at all the same as today, and I tend not to listen to the current revisionism to suit current agendas.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 21 6.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Bitter old man, inherited the title from Ted Heath. Once upon a time he had an interesting view point but once he was rejected by the Tory party as their leader he became more and more ridiculous especially his utterings over Brexit. Nothing wrong in supporting leave but he was one of many senior politicians that refused to accept his side lost. I stopped listening to him after that, perhaps he can find a telephone box for him and Major and Blair they could start their own party.. Edited by Badger11 (11 Oct 2021 12.06pm) Heseltine was the best leader the Tories, and the country, never had. If he had been chosen, we would not be in the mess we are now. I met him once, and integrity shone from him like a beacon of hope. I don't think he is personally bitter. He is very sad, disillusioned and disappointed at the direction taken by his Party and the consequences for our country. Him, Major and Blair stand miles above anything we now have. The current lot are minnows in a sea full of sharks. Out of their depth, in the wrong kind of water, with the tide against them, just hoping that something turns up to save them.
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steeleye20 Croydon 11 Oct 21 7.36pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
And when that's gone in 9 years with inflation then what? To actually advance the countries railways you would scrap HS2 altogether. As there is no money, after HS32, to fully electrify the network, to improve connectivity, the passengers experience and most importantly the rolling stock. HS2 does not connect to any airport or europe it is not environmentally friendly either. Its an absurd fantasy the distances are too short for bullet trains, at most you may get 30 minutes faster but we all know it is just not like that. From 40 billions originally they are now talking 150 billions, imagine how much that is. It looks like some of it may be delayed or not going ahead. If it is then hopefully some sanity will prevail.
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steeleye20 Croydon 11 Oct 21 7.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Heseltine was the best leader the Tories, and the country, never had. If he had been chosen, we would not be in the mess we are now. I met him once, and integrity shone from him like a beacon of hope. I don't think he is personally bitter. He is very sad, disillusioned and disappointed at the direction taken by his Party and the consequences for our country. Him, Major and Blair stand miles above anything we now have. The current lot are minnows in a sea full of sharks. Out of their depth, in the wrong kind of water, with the tide against them, just hoping that something turns up to save them. As a socialist supporter I do endorse your view of Michael Heseltine I also liked Ted Heath, a man tested by events this lot will hopefully never encounter. God help us if they do.
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cryrst The garden of England 11 Oct 21 9.09pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Do you ever think your anger is targeted at the wrong people? Who might have an interest in convincing you that the poorest in society should bear the brunt of your frustration? 40% of people on universal credit are in work. The fact wages have not even come close to matching inflation over decades is not their fault, and it's very clear who has been benefitting during that time. Is it right that people who are genuinely struggling to make ends meet or feed their families should go without just in case there is some people who take the piss? Or you think everyone should starve just in case there are some chancers? I'm not angry I'm a realist. How long can you keep giving when the pot is not filling up as quickly as its emptying. look at your reaction to the NI rise and lack of pay rise for nurses.
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cryrst The garden of England 11 Oct 21 9.12pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Heseltine was the best leader the Tories, and the country, never had. If he had been chosen, we would not be in the mess we are now. I met him once, and integrity shone from him like a beacon of hope. I don't think he is personally bitter. He is very sad, disillusioned and disappointed at the direction taken by his Party and the consequences for our country. Him, Major and Blair stand miles above anything we now have. The current lot are minnows in a sea full of sharks. Out of their depth, in the wrong kind of water, with the tide against them, just hoping that something turns up to save them. You didn't want brexit did you? If heseltine said he was for it you wouldn't even post about him.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Oct 21 9.27pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
You didn't want brexit did you? If heseltine said he was for it you wouldn't even post about him. As Heseltine has, like me, always understood the need for us to participate in the European project, there was nil chance of him ever being in favour of Brexit. Heseltine is a long-term strategic thinker with clarity of purpose etched into everything he does. If he was for Brexit he wouldn't be Heseltine. The two are mutually exclusive.
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cryrst The garden of England 12 Oct 21 5.35am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As Heseltine has, like me, always understood the need for us to participate in the European project, there was nil chance of him ever being in favour of Brexit. Heseltine is a long-term strategic thinker with clarity of purpose etched into everything he does. If he was for Brexit he wouldn't be Heseltine. The two are mutually exclusive. OK so are any mps who voted or promoted brexit worth your time?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Oct 21 12.06pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
OK so are any mps who voted or promoted brexit worth your time? Depends on what, but many are, in Jim Royle's memorable quip, "not worth the steam off my p*ss". Those who put their own interests first because they feared UKIP, failed to do their primary duty of using their conscience to determine the best interests of their constituents, if they believed leaving was a mistake. Many come in this spineless category. People like Jacob Rees-Mogg, Bill Cash, Mark Francois, Priti Patel, Suella Braverman, etc etc ought to be locked in the Tower until convicted as traitors.
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Ghostship Norfolk 12 Oct 21 1.10pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Depends on what, but many are, in Jim Royle's memorable quip, "not worth the steam off my p*ss". Those who put their own interests first because they feared UKIP, failed to do their primary duty of using their conscience to determine the best interests of their constituents, if they believed leaving was a mistake. Many come in this spineless category. People like Jacob Rees-Mogg, Bill Cash, Mark Francois, Priti Patel, Suella Braverman, etc etc ought to be locked in the Tower until convicted as traitors. On the subject of locking people in the tower they could be joined by the traitors that call themselves British Citizens who waved the EU flag in front of the Houses Of Parliament or at events such as the Proms. Truly despicable people
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