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JRW2 Dulwich 21 Sep 21 12.03pm
Originally posted by sydtheeagle I have to say, reading this, I just thought "nail...head". I watch a lot of rugby when I'm not watching Palace and, I know everyone's sick of hearing it, but the fact is rugby proves that football players themselves go a long way to making referees better or worse, in this case worse. If you treat anyone with constant disrespect, try to con them on a more or less non-stop basis, and complain vociferously every time they make a decision you're pretty much guaranteed to get the worst performance possible out of them. That's basic common sense. If clubs want refereeing standards to improve, they might start by telling their own players to show refs some respect. Lack of respect for officials is certainly very unhelpful to referees trying to do a good job. And I think some parents should shoulder some of the blame. I haven't watched a school game since I was of that age, but I gather that referees in those matches are routinely howled at, sworn at and even physically confronted by raging fathers (and mothers). Little wonder that by the time they're teenagers, so many boys have no respect for the officials. I've never checked this out, but someone once told me that the laws of rugby provide for badly behaved spectators to be dismissed from the surrounding area. I can't see that catching on in football! As for rugby's 10-yard (or is it metres?) law, the authorities will never have the guts to introduce it. But its effectiveness is illustrated by the fact that it so rarely has to be applied.
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Dulwich 21 Sep 21 12.03pm

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

I have to say, reading this, I just thought "nail...head". I watch a lot of rugby when I'm not watching Palace and, I know everyone's sick of hearing it, but the fact is rugby proves that football players themselves go a long way to making referees better or worse, in this case worse. If you treat anyone with constant disrespect, try to con them on a more or less non-stop basis, and complain vociferously every time they make a decision you're pretty much guaranteed to get the worst performance possible out of them. That's basic common sense. If clubs want refereeing standards to improve, they might start by telling their own players to show refs some respect.

Lack of respect for officials is certainly very unhelpful to referees trying to do a good job. And I think some parents should shoulder some of the blame. I haven't watched a school game since I was of that age, but I gather that referees in those matches are routinely howled at, sworn at and even physically confronted by raging fathers (and mothers). Little wonder that by the time they're teenagers, so many boys have no respect for the officials.

I've never checked this out, but someone once told me that the laws of rugby provide for badly behaved spectators to be dismissed from the surrounding area. I can't see that catching on in football!

As for rugby's 10-yard (or is it metres?) law, the authorities will never have the guts to introduce it. But its effectiveness is illustrated by the fact that it so rarely has to be applied.

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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 21 Sep 21 12.55pm
Originally posted by JRW2 Lack of respect for officials is certainly very unhelpful to referees trying to do a good job. And I think some parents should shoulder some of the blame. I haven't watched a school game since I was of that age, but I gather that referees in those matches are routinely howled at, sworn at and even physically confronted by raging fathers (and mothers). Little wonder that by the time they're teenagers, so many boys have no respect for the officials. I've never checked this out, but someone once told me that the laws of rugby provide for badly behaved spectators to be dismissed from the surrounding area. I can't see that catching on in football! As for rugby's 10-yard (or is it metres?) law, the authorities will never have the guts to introduce it. But its effectiveness is illustrated by the fact that it so rarely has to be applied. Football could do far worse than adopt rugby's approach. If football refs threaten players who surround them with a yellow card unless they back off and then start giving yellow cards, the practice will soon stop especially when players start getting 2 yellows in a game for the offence and are sent off. Alternatively, of course, football could introduce the sin-bin option for the 2nd such offence in the same game. Basically, once refs are able to punish players who try to intimidate, the practice of surrounding the ref will quickly disappear.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 21 Sep 21 12.55pm

Originally posted by JRW2

I've never checked this out, but someone once told me that the laws of rugby provide for badly behaved spectators to be dismissed from the surrounding area. I can't see that catching on in football!

As for rugby's 10-yard (or is it metres?) law, the authorities will never have the guts to introduce it. But its effectiveness is illustrated by the fact that it so rarely has to be applied.

Football could do far worse than adopt rugby's approach. If football refs threaten players who surround them with a yellow card unless they back off and then start giving yellow cards, the practice will soon stop especially when players start getting 2 yellows in a game for the offence and are sent off.

Alternatively, of course, football could introduce the sin-bin option for the 2nd such offence in the same game.

Basically, once refs are able to punish players who try to intimidate, the practice of surrounding the ref will quickly disappear.

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Teddy Eagle 21 Sep 21 12.57pm
Originally posted by JRW2 Lack of respect for officials is certainly very unhelpful to referees trying to do a good job. And I think some parents should shoulder some of the blame. I haven't watched a school game since I was of that age, but I gather that referees in those matches are routinely howled at, sworn at and even physically confronted by raging fathers (and mothers). Little wonder that by the time they're teenagers, so many boys have no respect for the officials. I've never checked this out, but someone once told me that the laws of rugby provide for badly behaved spectators to be dismissed from the surrounding area. I can't see that catching on in football! As for rugby's 10-yard (or is it metres?) law, the authorities will never have the guts to introduce it. But its effectiveness is illustrated by the fact that it so rarely has to be applied. FIFA introduced the 10 Yard rule in about 2000 but it only lasted a few seasons. Refs at the time said it had a positive effect but I can't remember it being applied very often.
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21 Sep 21 12.57pm

Originally posted by JRW2

I've never checked this out, but someone once told me that the laws of rugby provide for badly behaved spectators to be dismissed from the surrounding area. I can't see that catching on in football!

As for rugby's 10-yard (or is it metres?) law, the authorities will never have the guts to introduce it. But its effectiveness is illustrated by the fact that it so rarely has to be applied.

FIFA introduced the 10 Yard rule in about 2000 but it only lasted a few seasons. Refs at the time said it had a positive effect but I can't remember it being applied very often.

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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 21 Sep 21 1.05pm
I was really enthused by the refereeing at the Euros and initial Prem matches. They were following the new guidance on letting matches flow and not blowing up for every coming-together. The usual suspect managers that have historically always intimidated and manipulated refs into favouring their sides, have been hard at work doing their thing, and we're now seeing the results. I also think that us fans need to re-adjust out expectations on what is/isn't a foul. I do get that the problem with the bin dippers' game was that the ref was being inconsistent between the two teams.
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I was really enthused by the refereeing at the Euros and initial Prem matches. They were following the new guidance on letting matches flow and not blowing up for every coming-together.

The usual suspect managers that have historically always intimidated and manipulated refs into favouring their sides, have been hard at work doing their thing, and we're now seeing the results.

I also think that us fans need to re-adjust out expectations on what is/isn't a foul. I do get that the problem with the bin dippers' game was that the ref was being inconsistent between the two teams.

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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 21 Sep 21 1.11pm
Originally posted by doombear Football could do far worse than adopt rugby's approach. If football refs threaten players who surround them with a yellow card unless they back off and then start giving yellow cards, the practice will soon stop especially when players start getting 2 yellows in a game for the offence and are sent off. Alternatively, of course, football could introduce the sin-bin option for the 2nd such offence in the same game. Basically, once refs are able to punish players who try to intimidate, the practice of surrounding the ref will quickly disappear. This is already in action, albeit in the lower leagues(ie, grassroots). . . [Link] Also, there IS a proviso for the intimidation of refs, trouble is, the EPL/'stakeholders' don't want it implemented, as it will spoil the 'viewers' enjoyment of watching the match. It would take a very brave ref to do exactly what you're suggesting, as it would probably mean that ref never reffing at whatever lever he was at ie EPL. Bit of a catch-22 really. Edited by eagleman13 (21 Sep 2021 1.12pm) This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.
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Originally posted by doombear

Alternatively, of course, football could introduce the sin-bin option for the 2nd such offence in the same game.

Basically, once refs are able to punish players who try to intimidate, the practice of surrounding the ref will quickly disappear.

This is already in action, albeit in the lower leagues(ie, grassroots). . . [Link]

Also, there IS a proviso for the intimidation of refs, trouble is, the EPL/'stakeholders' don't want it implemented, as it will spoil the 'viewers' enjoyment of watching the match.

It would take a very brave ref to do exactly what you're suggesting, as it would probably mean that ref never reffing at whatever lever he was at ie EPL. Bit of a catch-22 really.

Edited by eagleman13 (21 Sep 2021 1.12pm)

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

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dreamwaverider London 21 Sep 21 1.15pm
Originally posted by beak So you think the ref did a good job? I may well have done a better job when age and health permitted. I may well have done regardless of that.
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Originally posted by beak

So you think the ref did a good job? I may well have done a better job when age and health permitted.

I may well have done regardless of that.

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