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steeleye20 Croydon 19 Sep 21 10.45am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I don't mind annoying the French but I wonder about this deal which is essentially anti Chinese, I have no love for them but why are we getting involved in this. Did you read that China is joining the CPTTP, of which Australia is a member and the UK has applied too? So they will in fact be having a trading relationship. And the CPTTP is free of the USA, must be paradise.
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Orange1290 19 Sep 21 10.46am | |
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Originally posted by beak
The USA tug the lead and like a well behaved poodle we follow our master.
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Orange1290 19 Sep 21 10.48am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Did you read that China is joining the CPTTP, of which Australia is a member and the UK has applied too? So they will in fact be having a trading relationship. And the CPTTP is free of the USA, must be paradise.
Well, 'applying' and being accepted are two very different things.
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IMMER PALACE BIELEFELD 19 Sep 21 10.56am | |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
You must have missed the fact the the EU's de facto military head honchos had a deal 'of the century' to sell submarines to the Australians and the EU itself launched its own Pacific policy just last week. At its heart this features "ocean-governance". Apart from that, you are spot on. Edited by IMMER PALACE (19 Sep 2021 10.58am)
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Sep 21 11.06am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The UK a 'vassal state' of the USA, according to angry France. The truth always hurts. The PM and new foreign minister already flying to Washington to get their orders. France are a vassal state of their invaders and occupiers, whilst openly and constantly pissing off their liberators. That's what you couldn"t make up.
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Orange1290 19 Sep 21 11.12am | |
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Originally posted by IMMER PALACE
You must have missed the fact the the EU's de facto military head honchos had a deal 'of the century' to sell submarines to the Australians and the EU itself launched its own Pacific policy just last week. At its heart this features "ocean-governance". Apart from that, you are spot on. Edited by IMMER PALACE (19 Sep 2021 10.58am)
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Ouzo Dan Behind you 19 Sep 21 11.19am | |
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Originally posted by beak
The USA tug the lead and like a well behaved poodle we follow our master. Imagine putting a negative spin on Britain making billions out of this agreement. Britain has Military bases in Australia, Singapore & Brunei, we are perfectly entitled to protect our interests in the region. Closer to home it is again the uk & the us taking a leading role in reinforcing/training the Baltic states, we currently have a large presence in Estonia. This leads on to my next point, the British military are currently assisting France with the conflict in Mali and by Proxy were at war with Russia as Mali has been flooded with a motherload of Russian PMC's working against the interests of the french.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 19 Sep 21 11.22am | |
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Have you ever been to Taiwan? Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Firstly China are building 150 brand new ICBM nuclear missile silos, you can see them on the following link. The CCP have also announced they plan to keep nuking Japan until there is nothing left China are currently militarising/building a ton of Islands in the East/South China sea & the Philippines sea enabling them to apply considerable pressure on their neighbours. China has also threatened to destroy Australia should it get involved in regional conflicts. China's Navy is now the largest in the world and continues to expand at an alarming rate, as does their air force. China has made no secret of its plans to dominate the Pacific. China will invade Taiwan. China has been in an arms race with the West for years and we have sleep walked into this and are considerably behind in the region. AUKUS makes a lot of sense, what were seeing is the beginnings of a Pacific NATO, I would imagine Japan will be brought into this too however I suspect New Zealand wont get a look in as they are quite compromised by the CCP. For Britain this is great news, the US cant build Nuclear subs quick enough for their own fleets and cant really spare the manpower to build a fleet for Australia this is where Britain comes into it, we'll be supplying the expertise to flesh out Australia's Nuclear subs which will be worth Billions upon to billions to the UK. I cant find the exact quote however the Australian Minister of Defence Peter Dutton is pretty new to the job and recently did and assessment of Australian military capability and was horrified to see that the Australian military was in a right s*** state and, has set about completely rebuilding the Military, AUKUS clearly is a big part of that. Laugh and take the piss all you like but China are not f***ing about, and if you think it ends with just Taiwan you're sorely mistaken. Edited by Ouzo Dan (17 Sep 2021 5.01pm)
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Ouzo Dan Behind you 19 Sep 21 11.34am | |
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Have you ever been to Taiwan? No, travelled a fair chunk of the world but never found myself in Taiwan. Im assuming youre about to hightlight in my post where I am wrong about Taiwans military capability
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IMMER PALACE BIELEFELD 19 Sep 21 11.59am | |
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Originally posted by Orange1290
The EU didn't have a deal - did it? France had a deal, but didn't deliver. Your pro-EU prism is bending the truth. Did the UK lie? I have seen no suggestion the UK lied - it conducted trade negotiations in secret and became involved in a government to government to government defence project. The UK certainly wouldn't have done the deal had it remained in the EU, that much is probably true. As for your claim about the EU being about trade not about arms perhaps you missed the bit about France crowing about arming the Aussies with a dozen submarines for billions of dollars? Have you noticed what the head of the Commission and President Macron have been crying out for this week? An EU military, a sovereign EU capability no less. Thank goodness we are out.
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Orange1290 19 Sep 21 12.12pm | |
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Originally posted by IMMER PALACE
The EU didn't have a deal - did it? France had a deal, but didn't deliver. Your pro-EU prism is bending the truth. Did the UK lie? I have seen no suggestion the UK lied - it conducted trade negotiations in secret and became involved in a government to government to government defence project. The UK certainly wouldn't have done the deal had it remained in the EU, that much is probably true. As for your claim about the EU being not about arms perhaps you missed the bit about France crowing about arming the Aussies with a dozen submarines for billions of dollars. - have you noticed what the head of the Commission and President Macron have been crying out for this week? An EU military.
For sure the EU will ho ahead with it's own military force but unlike the US and UK they won't go 'patrolling' the south China sea which has nothing to do with them at all. What the EU will do is use the latest technology to protect it's own borders rather than go sabre rattling in someone else's back yard. The US, UK and Australian project will be doomed from the beginning as they will all start to have disagreements about the funding and as usual, the US being the biggest of the three self appointed bullies will win while the other two will pay dearly both financially and in terms of international credibility. China will soon overtake the US as the richest nation in the world and the EU is placed very well to build on the economic deals it has already.
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IMMER PALACE BIELEFELD 19 Sep 21 12.48pm | |
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Orange, have you read the EU's policy which was announced last week? Your belief that the EU won't go patrolling is wrong. • Promote an open and rules-based regional • Explore ways to ensure enhanced naval deployments by • Support Indo-Pacific partners’ capacity to ensure Edited by IMMER PALACE (19 Sep 2021 12.49pm)
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