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 The Dolphin  22 Jul 21 2.41pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Dominic Cummings' by kenbarr Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Why on earth not? More transparency and accountability is exactly what's needed within Government. Caught up on the interview yesterday; he's an interesting bloke to listen to if nothing else - clearly got a personal mission to discredit Boris & Co. but I'd be very confident there's big portions of truth in what he's saying. He's certainly right that there should be a public enquiry into the Covid response as soon as possible, and if the claims he's made are verified, there has to be consequences. I've no hope this will happen, but it should. Nice of the BBC to finally question some parts of the Vote Leave campaign - only 5 years too late. You cannot have every detail of Cabinet discussions leaked - things get said and discussed and people need to know they can say things without fear of reprisal.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 22 Jul 21 4.58pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Dominic Cummings' by kenbarr Originally posted by Fatherken
To say that people who thought Brexit was a good idea had a screw loose is rubbish . He said if you are certain on Brexit either way you’ve probably got a screw loose - very different message.
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| Spiderman Horsham 22 Jul 21 5.01pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Dominic Cummings' by kenbarr Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Why on earth not? More transparency and accountability is exactly what's needed within Government. Caught up on the interview yesterday; he's an interesting bloke to listen to if nothing else - clearly got a personal mission to discredit Boris & Co. but I'd be very confident there's big portions of truth in what he's saying. He's certainly right that there should be a public enquiry into the Covid response as soon as possible, and if the claims he's made are verified, there has to be consequences. I've no hope this will happen, but it should. Nice of the BBC to finally question some parts of the Vote Leave campaign - only 5 years too late. What were your views on his trip last year? Did you call him interesting then? Or are you one who didn’t believe a word he said last year but now he is worth listening too?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 22 Jul 21 5.12pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Dominic Cummings' by kenbarr Originally posted by The Dolphin
You cannot have every detail of Cabinet discussions leaked - things get said and discussed and people need to know they can say things without fear of reprisal. Agreed. I have no problem with the public knowing who was at a meeting who voted for what and what decision was made. However the discussions leading up to that should be private otherwise people will say nothing for fear of being hounded and bad decisions will be the consequence. For instance when the pandemic first started there would have been genuine questions to be asked who does it impact most? What is the cost to the country financially and morally etc? It doesn't mean that the person who raises these issues thinks "sod em" let the old people die but you have to have a full discussion to then make an informed decision. People often need a process before they make a decision and some comments will be uncomfortable and perhaps thoughtless. If you spied on the Pope 24 x 7 I bet he would say something he would be embarrassed about.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 22 Jul 21 5.25pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Dominic Cummings' by kenbarr Originally posted by Spiderman
What were your views on his trip last year? Did you call him interesting then? Or are you one who didn’t believe a word he said last year but now he is worth listening too? I’m sure we’ve already had this exchange - it’s such a boring point. Yes, the left are more keen to believe him now, and the right are more keen to disbelieve him. That’s how it works - is it not more interesting to actually discuss the topic? I’ve always found him quite an interesting bloke, but will happily admit his recent ‘anti political system’ stuff is what has ramped it up. I think he’s fairly reprehensible morally, and even yesterday his failure to admit to certain things was hard to watch, but he’s a good speaker and discusses some interesting topics.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 22 Jul 21 5.28pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Dominic Cummings' by kenbarr Originally posted by The Dolphin
You cannot have every detail of Cabinet discussions leaked - things get said and discussed and people need to know they can say things without fear of reprisal.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 22 Jul 21 5.33pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Dominic Cummings' by kenbarr Originally posted by Badger11
Agreed. I have no problem with the public knowing who was at a meeting who voted for what and what decision was made. However the discussions leading up to that should be private otherwise people will say nothing for fear of being hounded and bad decisions will be the consequence. For instance when the pandemic first started there would have been genuine questions to be asked who does it impact most? What is the cost to the country financially and morally etc? It doesn't mean that the person who raises these issues thinks "sod em" let the old people die but you have to have a full discussion to then make an informed decision. People often need a process before they make a decision and some comments will be uncomfortable and perhaps thoughtless. If you spied on the Pope 24 x 7 I bet he would say something he would be embarrassed about.
I think you’re being exceptionally generous - Boris isn’t reported to have said ‘who does it impact most’ or ‘what is the cost to the county financially’ - he’s reported to have said precisely the types of things you’ve followed those examples with. As I said above, broadly I agree there should be some scope for frank discussions, but I disagree significantly on where that line should be drawn - again, to me the lack of transparency of it all is a big part of why both parties are so incompetent.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 22 Jul 21 6.05pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Dominic Cummings' by kenbarr Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I think you’re being exceptionally generous - Boris isn’t reported to have said ‘who does it impact most’ or ‘what is the cost to the county financially’ - he’s reported to have said precisely the types of things you’ve followed those examples with. As I said above, broadly I agree there should be some scope for frank discussions, but I disagree significantly on where that line should be drawn - again, to me the lack of transparency of it all is a big part of why both parties are so incompetent. Sure but people in government, civil servants, advisors and politicians will simply stop sending emails and texts and won't say much in meetings. I am all for transparency e.g. Cameron's mate gets the contract how was that voted for or decided by whom, this is already examined by Parliament and rightly so. I don't need to know that during a meeting somebody made an off colour joke to relive the boredom. Edited by Badger11 (22 Jul 2021 6.06pm)
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| Spiderman Horsham 22 Jul 21 6.24pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Dominic Cummings' by kenbarr I do wonder if anyone would be brave/stupid enough to employ DC, how could anyone trust him. Obviously a book to come out within the next 12 months
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 22 Jul 21 11.29pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Dominic Cummings' by kenbarr It's the usual basis of " discussion " here that opinions become facts for some. I would like to see evidence to back up up the claims of Cummings, some may be true but can't just take his word as he is conflicted. For the left leaning/anti Govt side, Cummings is now to be believed on every criticism or snipe at Johnson because it suits a narrative that he is. Time will tell
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| AuntyAnne70 Tunbridge WElls 22 Jul 21 11.44pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Dominic Cummings' by kenbarr It works both ways, there are some who thought he was a stand up guy and that he did go to Barnard Castle to test his eyesight, or so they would have you believe, but now amazingly think he may tell porkies!
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Dominic Cummings' by kenbarr Originally posted by HKOwen
It's the usual basis of " discussion " here that opinions become facts for some. I would like to see evidence to back up up the claims of Cummings, some may be true but can't just take his word as he is conflicted. For the left leaning/anti Govt side, Cummings is now to be believed on every criticism or snipe at Johnson because it suits a narrative that he is. Time will tell I don’t really care. Even if 50% of it is true, which judging by his confidence and ‘evidence’ of conversations released so far, it probably is. And surely that’s enough. Frankly, knowing how much of a s*** show politics and government is and has always been, none of it seems in any way far fetched. He also doesn’t seem to be the type of guy to care about either being employed or needing to make stuff up to appeal. Just has his ideology and that’s that. For what it’s worth he’s dead right about the insanity of the political system and Whitehall - he’s asked specifically about the UK but frankly it could apply to a fair few countries.
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