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OldFella Flag London 27 Jun 21 10.46am Send a Private Message to OldFella Add OldFella as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

First up, I don’t need to toughen up one bit. Careful there.

Secondly, I’m as far away from woke as it gets. All I’m saying is no one knows the bloody story and yet we’ve all hung Parish out to dry. It’s fine margins. If Favre signs, Parish is a hero who’s pulled off the coup of the season signing a manager of that ilk. Instead, an 11th hour change of heart (for personal reasons it sounds) and suddenly he’s incompetent and guilty or mismanagement etc.

It’s fickle fans having no idea how the real world works. I for one am glad Steve’s in charge and I trust him to make the right decision for the club - like he’s always done.

Made me laugh. Keyboard warrior from thousands of miles away. What a wally

 


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Elwissthebest Flag Marlborough 27 Jun 21 10.53am Send a Private Message to Elwissthebest Add Elwissthebest as a friend

'Fickle Fans'.
If one were to post that Parish was a brilliant Chairman and then subsequently write that he was abysmal, only to add that he was top notch and shortly afterwards that he was really very poor then one could reasonably be accused of being a 'fickle fan'. Or even a psychopath. But if one repeatedly suggests that Mr Parish's abilities as an Advertising guru are not quite matched by his performance as a Premiership Chairman, that's not 'fickle'. It's consistent.
As for those who claim to understand how the 'real world' works, do please share the secret with the rest of us. Premiership football is about anything BUT the 'real world'. It's about escapism and its economics are the stuff of fantasy.
The OP points out that there are real issues that at the moment are not being addressed. That is clearly correct. If the reply to that is that critics have to be 'realistic', then let's stop farting around with ideas that top managers would want to come to Palace. Why would they, when the purse strings are so tightly drawn? The best we can hope for is a manager on the way up, or perhaps in gentle decline, having sampled the heights elsewhere. I wouldn't mind at all if a Pochettino used us as a stepping stone. Indeed, we might well use Southampton as yardstick. There's no particular reason why we shouldn't be on par with them.
This is a forum for the exchange of ideas, or the venting of spleen when we've just lost 0-7, or the wish that we could sign such and such a player. Can we please avoid protestations about whether one is 'woke' or 'tough' or not and just stick to a polite spirit of agreement or disagreement.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 27 Jun 21 10.56am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Dubai Eagle

On the Favre situation, I think most people have at times talked to other employers about open positions where its nice to be linked with opportunities, its nice to feel that your stock is suitably well thought of to be wanted, maybe you go along to the interviews hoping that something is going to click to make you take the offer seriously, both sides talk, eventually at a certain point in time it gets serious, at that point you have to sign, or make clear your reservations to see if you can get closer to each other or if the gap between the employers & employees thinking is too great then you walk away.

My guess (and its only a guess) is that with our situation, (players /contracts / relegation prospects) the amount of money available to achieve what was required isn't realistic & by the time that became apparent we would be fast approaching Christmas & the board would then have to make a decision to further back the manager in the Jan transfer window or bring in another fireman Sam style saviour, either way it makes for a very bumpy ride.

I agree mostly, but for the club to have applied for a work permit suggested, at that stage, Favre was still onboard, this would basically be the last process required ( apart from the actual contract signing), so there must have been an issue with the club, promises made which could not be kept?
I guess what I am trying to say is, the process had gone some distance to suddenly collapse.
I still don’t hold with all the “blame Brexit” scenario but jut my opinion

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jun 21 11.05am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Elwissthebest

'Fickle Fans'.
If one were to post that Parish was a brilliant Chairman and then subsequently write that he was abysmal, only to add that he was top notch and shortly afterwards that he was really very poor then one could reasonably be accused of being a 'fickle fan'. Or even a psychopath. But if one repeatedly suggests that Mr Parish's abilities as an Advertising guru are not quite matched by his performance as a Premiership Chairman, that's not 'fickle'. It's consistent.
As for those who claim to understand how the 'real world' works, do please share the secret with the rest of us. Premiership football is about anything BUT the 'real world'. It's about escapism and its economics are the stuff of fantasy.
The OP points out that there are real issues that at the moment are not being addressed. That is clearly correct. If the reply to that is that critics have to be 'realistic', then let's stop farting around with ideas that top managers would want to come to Palace. Why would they, when the purse strings are so tightly drawn? The best we can hope for is a manager on the way up, or perhaps in gentle decline, having sampled the heights elsewhere. I wouldn't mind at all if a Pochettino used us as a stepping stone. Indeed, we might well use Southampton as yardstick. There's no particular reason why we shouldn't be on par with them.
This is a forum for the exchange of ideas, or the venting of spleen when we've just lost 0-7, or the wish that we could sign such and such a player. Can we please avoid protestations about whether one is 'woke' or 'tough' or not and just stick to a polite spirit of agreement or disagreement.

How many people in this country had actually heard of Pochettino when he was appointed manager of Southampton ?. He had left his previous club Espanyol with the club bottom of La Liga.

Many thought that Southampton had taken leave of their senses when they replaced Nigel Adkins with Pochettino but the rest as they say is history.

 

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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Jun 21 11.13am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Swindy

Having followed the club for the best part of 50 years, every time that relegation from the top flight has happened in all that time (probably barring 1992-93), it has carried a certain inevitability.
There is a lot to be pleased about from the Parish years. Salvation, the longest top-flight stay, significant strides last season taken by the academy, though a successful academy is more of an asset outside the Premiership.
However, the finger of blame for the current squad situation and the seemingly unending and embarassing manager searches etc stands firmly at Mr P's door. Whether it came as a surprise that Roy was leaving at the end of the season or not (and great job that he did on keeping the club up with limited resources, he was not the future), clearly no succession planning was done.
Then there is the ludicrous situation that there are so many players out of contract at the end of this month - I mean, who knew ???
Further, apparently the players concerned were told that they'd have to wait till a new manager is appointed before anything gets resolved. Now clearly, Palace won't want to keep them all but it surely unnecessarily encourages other clubs and certainly diminishes any remaining likelihood of Wilf being persuaded to stay.
In these years in the Premiership this club has made more money than EVER before, yet do any of the fans really feel that at the start of the season we are any more established ?? (and I do accept that we have no divine right to stay up) or does it feel that we are still little more than a newly-promoted club with a number of games written off ??
Apparently 1 reason why Nuno & Favre said no was the likely size of the 'war chest' for the new season - perhaps there would be more if Mr Parish had not spent shedloads on professional crocks Sakho, Wickham and Fergusson etc. The Wan-Bissaka money went towards to balancing the books.
It is not his fault, but why do we seem to get so many more injuries than other top-flight clubs each season ?
I do not yearn for movement to the mythical 'next level', but it would be good if it felt that the club was progressing in a calm, businesslike way and even had a cup run again next season, instead of playing out as being a media soap opera.
The quality in the Premiership reduces every year so there is a chance, even starting from this point of unattractiveness to a prospective new manager, that things might not be as bad as many fear next season, but Mr Parish needs to sort it out very quickly or it will be pre-season training with Messrs Derry, Mccarthy and Kiely and extremely frantic attempts in the transfer market.

I don't understand your point about the Academy being more of an asset outside the Premiership. If it produces another AWB, that's £50m in potential income plus a home grown talent occupying a first team place.

The Manager search has proven to be more difficult than thought. Of the supposed candidates, opinion on HOL has been extremely divided as to who should get the job. With little or no ' official ' updates coming out of the club, we are left to speculate. As you have done re the '' war chest ''. If Parish had someone in mind to replace Roy, then for whatever reason, it didn't happen. On the face of it, it looks like mismanagement but I think there is more to it than that. As an example, SP could not have legislated for the U-turn by Favre.

With regards to the players contract situation, it's an unusual one for sure. Most of those players are past their best and some have been expensive non-playing liabilities. I for one would have signed Sakho on the back of his initial performances for us, but both his form and fitness have been a huge disappointment that I would not have predicted any more than SP could of.

As for the club being '' established '' in the Premier, well other clubs have thought the same and look at say, Stoke now. You can't take it for granted. For the majority of clubs the definition of success is just staying in the league.

So...have mistakes been made ? - Yes. Palace are not unique in that respect. Is Steve Parish beyond critisism ? - No. Nobody's perfect. What I do believe is that some people underestimate the size of the job he has done in keeping Palace in the Premier League.

Edited by NEILLO (27 Jun 2021 11.14am)

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jun 21 11.21am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

I don't understand your point about the Academy being more of an asset outside the Premiership. If it produces another AWB, that's £50m in potential income plus a home grown talent occupying a first team place.

The Manager search has proven to be more difficult than thought. Of the supposed candidates, opinion on HOL has been extremely divided as to who should get the job. With little or no ' official ' updates coming out of the club, we are left to speculate. As you have done re the '' war chest ''. If Parish had someone in mind to replace Roy, then for whatever reason, it didn't happen. On the face of it, it looks like mismanagement but I think there is more to it than that. As an example, SP could not have legislated for the U-turn by Favre.

With regards to the players contract situation, it's an unusual one for sure. Most of those players are past their best and some have been expensive non-playing liabilities. I for one would have signed Sakho on the back of his initial performances for us, but both his form and fitness have been a huge disappointment that I would not have predicted any more than SP could of.

As for the club being '' established '' in the Premier, well other clubs have thought the same and look at say, Stoke now. You can't take it for granted. For the majority of clubs the definition of success is just staying in the league.

So...have mistakes been made ? - Yes. Palace are not unique in that respect. Is Steve Parish beyond critisism ? - No. Nobody's perfect. What I do believe is that some people underestimate the size of the job he has done in keeping Palace in the Premier League.

Edited by NEILLO (27 Jun 2021 11.14am)

I for one is not one of these people.

In actual fact, only last night I made such comments to a chap in a local establishment, the response being that I was being supportive for obvious reasons !!!!
Fawning Willo !!!!

Edited by Willo (27 Jun 2021 11.26am)

 

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sprites Flag Auckland 27 Jun 21 11.27am Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by OldFella

Made me laugh. Keyboard warrior from thousands of miles away. What a wally

Nice one old fella. Can’t say I’ve been called a Wally for a while. I’ll take it.

 

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sprites Flag Auckland 27 Jun 21 11.29am Send a Private Message to sprites Add sprites as a friend

Originally posted by Elwissthebest

'Fickle Fans'.
If one were to post that Parish was a brilliant Chairman and then subsequently write that he was abysmal, only to add that he was top notch and shortly afterwards that he was really very poor then one could reasonably be accused of being a 'fickle fan'. Or even a psychopath. But if one repeatedly suggests that Mr Parish's abilities as an Advertising guru are not quite matched by his performance as a Premiership Chairman, that's not 'fickle'. It's consistent.
As for those who claim to understand how the 'real world' works, do please share the secret with the rest of us. Premiership football is about anything BUT the 'real world'. It's about escapism and its economics are the stuff of fantasy.
The OP points out that there are real issues that at the moment are not being addressed. That is clearly correct. If the reply to that is that critics have to be 'realistic', then let's stop farting around with ideas that top managers would want to come to Palace. Why would they, when the purse strings are so tightly drawn? The best we can hope for is a manager on the way up, or perhaps in gentle decline, having sampled the heights elsewhere. I wouldn't mind at all if a Pochettino used us as a stepping stone. Indeed, we might well use Southampton as yardstick. There's no particular reason why we shouldn't be on par with them.
This is a forum for the exchange of ideas, or the venting of spleen when we've just lost 0-7, or the wish that we could sign such and such a player. Can we please avoid protestations about whether one is 'woke' or 'tough' or not and just stick to a polite spirit of agreement or disagreement.

Yep, sounds like a plan. Let’s do that
(Your post was considered and well argued, by the way. Guess we’re just approaching things from slightly different angles.)

 

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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 27 Jun 21 11.35am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Batshuayi was a loanee not a contracted player so he's doesn't really count.

Yes, he does we were paying him 90k a week, not Chelsea, and he has gone

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 27 Jun 21 11.47am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Yes, he does we were paying him 90k a week, not Chelsea, and he has gone

Batshuayi started 7 games, and was substitute in 11 games.
Scored 2 goals, both after coming off the bench, and both late strikes.

 

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Swindy Flag Bromley 27 Jun 21 11.58am Send a Private Message to Swindy Add Swindy as a friend

'NEILLO'
How many players have gone straight into the first team from the academy in this premiership stay ?? That will be Wan-Bissaka then, who then had to be sold to balance the books !! Previous comments apply on that one.
If you read my first post properly, you will see that I did in fact say that I realise we have no divine right to be where we are but it should feel as if were a club with a better standing than those newly-promoted !

 

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dreamwaverider Flag London 27 Jun 21 1.32pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by sprites

First up, I don’t need to toughen up one bit. Careful there.

Secondly, I’m as far away from woke as it gets. All I’m saying is no one knows the bloody story and yet we’ve all hung Parish out to dry. It’s fine margins. If Favre signs, Parish is a hero who’s pulled off the coup of the season signing a manager of that ilk. Instead, an 11th hour change of heart (for personal reasons it sounds) and suddenly he’s incompetent and guilty or mismanagement etc.

It’s fickle fans having no idea how the real world works. I for one am glad Steve’s in charge and I trust him to make the right decision for the club - like he’s always done.


Sprites Palace don’t have hardly any fickle fans. Nearly everyone posting here including you care about our club. But fans are fans and we all like to have our say on topics good or bad. So it doesn’t wash saying your not going to look on at the abuse. I’m sure you are as tough as the rest if you say so,so just make your points and let everyone else make theirs. One thing for sure we can’t all agree on everything and that’s what makes the forum. Just chill stay tough! And carry on posting.
Glad you’re not a woke too.

 

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