It is quite something to witness the mess Labour have got themselves into.

That said, it is at least democratic. When they changed their elective rules it meant that the grass roots effectively got their man/woman/non binary thing.

The kind of people who join political parties pretty much all have a passion for something or other whereas the average joe/joan just listens to whatever the media tells them and doesn't have that much interest in politics other than whatever the family culture is thinking and maybe what's happening in their direct area.

Labour were always going to travel further to the left once Miliband changed the rules and it was always going to take them further away from Joe/Joan.....So unless they had the media in their pocket they had no chance....and while they have the telly they don't have enough of the newspapers, because the capitalists aren't Turkeys voting for Christmas.

The Tories on the other hand aren't as democratic as Labour...what is it? The membership only get a say on the last two remaining candidates......so instead of reflecting their paying grass roots the Tories mostly take them for granted (the old house price Tory) knowing they traditionally fear Labour governments and so relying on this they have taken a large bulk of Labour's social policies to hoover up the wishy washy centralists who think, 'Labour mean well but have gone too far'.

Quite cynical and something I deeply oppose but the results have been effective for them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 May 2021 1.12pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

If Labour hold it then Starmer, probably, limps on. But to what? Genuinely see him as a dead man walking, no matter what happens with the only question being the when.

And who replaces him? Rayner makes for good headlines but really?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

She was selected purely on the basis of DNA. That is it. They even had to change their own rules because she had not been in the Labour Party for at least a year before she was selected.

It is pure sentimentality. Emotional blackmail. A sign of just how broken Labour are.

All to desperately try and hold a seat in a by-election. After 10 years plus of a Tory regime.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Utopia at last !

Question now is, when Labour lose will Starmer go ?

Novara Media youtube is a handy way to see what the loons are up to. Their view is Starmer losing support from both left and right of Labour so is dead man walking.

Let's get Angela Rayner in as leader to give Labour the coup de grâce

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

I pray that Rayner or RLB become leader

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.