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 Spiderman  Horsham 11 Jan 21 4.49pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I’ll answer for him, he may be embarrassed
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Attachment: | davenotamonkey 11 Jan 21 5.37pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
That is interesting In that case maybe my original premise is incorrect, I am obliged for the correction. It was the coincidence of timing apparently. I still maintain that we now have the chance to look at other ways to manage agriculture. This seems a retrograde step to me. Yes, indeed we do, specifically ways that suit the biodiversity of our Isles, rather than a one-size-fits-all centralised body spanning their entire empire. Shall we move on to Xylella fastidiosa and Ceratocystis platani? Xylella fastidiosa: a bacterial disease with many sub species and strains not known to occur in the UK. It is considered to be one of the most dangerous pathogens for plants anywhere in the world. It affects cherry, almond and plum trees as well as olives. Ceratocystis platani: is a fungus not yet present in UK that attacks and kills plane trees. This pathogen poses a significant risk to plane trees in the UK because plane is widely used as an urban amenity species in parks and public gardens, and alongside streets and roads. We were found in breach of EU rules for placing stricter controls on imports for plants carrying these pests (neither of which are endemic to the UK). Should we lower our standards to those of the EU, or is it better that we took unilateral action (despite being in breach of the wonderful lower EU standards)? Should we now lower our standards to ensure a "level playing field" with the EU? Do you think they were complaining mainly because it meant continental exports to the UK would be subject to higher standards, and that would disadvantage them? Or do they genuinely think that lower standards are better, as long as they are EU standards?
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| Spiderman Horsham 11 Jan 21 5.42pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Yes, indeed we do, specifically ways that suit the biodiversity of our Isles, rather than a one-size-fits-all centralised body spanning their entire empire. Shall we move on to Xylella fastidiosa and Ceratocystis platani? Xylella fastidiosa: a bacterial disease with many sub species and strains not known to occur in the UK. It is considered to be one of the most dangerous pathogens for plants anywhere in the world. It affects cherry, almond and plum trees as well as olives. Ceratocystis platani: is a fungus not yet present in UK that attacks and kills plane trees. This pathogen poses a significant risk to plane trees in the UK because plane is widely used as an urban amenity species in parks and public gardens, and alongside streets and roads. We were found in breach of EU rules for placing stricter controls on imports for plants carrying these pests (neither of which are endemic to the UK). Should we lower our standards to those of the EU, or is it better that we took unilateral action (despite being in breach of the wonderful lower EU standards)? Should we now lower our standards to ensure a "level playing field" with the EU? Do you think they were complaining mainly because it meant continental exports to the UK would be subject to higher standards, and that would disadvantage them? Or do they genuinely think that lower standards are better, as long as they are EU standards? Informative post, thank you.
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Jan 21 10.22pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Let's be absolutely crystal clear here. This is not the UK going it alone as some rogue state. The following EU countries have requested emergency use: Austria [Tweet Link]
France, in an act of typical EU solidarity has (much like the Germans proclaiming EU unity in joint vaccine procurement whilst ordering a stash just for themselves) decided to approve use anyway: ...and when even Jolyon-Moron tells us that it is incorrect to link neonicotinoid to Brexit, you might want to re-adjust your anti-Brexit blinkers. [Tweet Link]
Thank you for this link Dave. It provided very interesting reading. It’s a bit of a microcosm of many bigger debates raging along the lines of we don’t have to be great, just better than the others. Tom Clarke is asking for time to find non-chemical solutions. What frustrates is that we could have done that long ago but it would need political will as there is no money in it for the pharma companies. The world is so behind in addressing such a crucial problem of the gradual destruction of our food sources. Beet isn’t great for soil degradation by the way.
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| Mapletree Croydon 11 Jan 21 10.26pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Eh? Where’s that? Of course I do largely ignore your posts ...
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 12 Jan 21 2.19pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
That is interesting In that case maybe my original premise is incorrect, I am obliged for the correction. It was the coincidence of timing apparently. I still maintain that we now have the chance to look at other ways to manage agriculture. This seems a retrograde step to me. Glad that's all cleared up. Now, any pics of your daughter?
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| Mapletree Croydon 12 Jan 21 2.58pm |
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I am still awaiting her viewpoint on this. Not convinced we should accept neonics though, even short term. Edited by Mapletree (12 Jan 2021 3.02pm)
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| Spiderman Horsham 12 Jan 21 3.28pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I am still awaiting her viewpoint on this. Not convinced we should accept neonics though, even short term. Edited by Mapletree (12 Jan 2021 3.02pm) Takes after her dad then
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| Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 12 Jan 21 4.16pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Takes after her dad then I must admit, I was pleasantly surprised.
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palace_in_frogland  In a broken dream 12 Jan 21 5.43pm |
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Gender fluidity, made flesh.
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cryrst  The garden of England 12 Jan 21 6.41pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I am still awaiting her viewpoint on this. Not convinced we should accept neonics though, even short term. Edited by Mapletree (12 Jan 2021 3.02pm) You must call her my precious.
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| Mapletree Croydon 12 Jan 21 9.38pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
You must call her my precious. I can at least call her quietly. With those ears I never have to raise my voice.
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