According to the website I linked to:

'The proposed legislation in New Zealand law would allow abortions between 20-weeks gestation and birth, with the go-ahead from just two health practitioners (this could include nurses and midwives) rather than the higher threshold of two doctors.'

The most common median abortion limit is 12 weeks in European countries....not an appalling 20 and the up to birth allowance is nothing but murder in my view.

'At twelve weeks an unborn child is fully formed, has a heartbeat and all the organs, muscles, limbs and bones are in place. The baby’s fingers will soon begin to open and close, her toes will curl, her eye muscles will clench, and her mouth will make sucking movements.'

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On another thread you accused me of being on the fringes politically. That may or may not be true in real terms, I honestly don't know.

However that same accusation could also be made for those who write in support of laws that allow for abortions from 20 weeks to birth without stringent threats to the mother's life.

From the opinion polls I've seen I think that would certainly put them on the fringes both politically and morally.

If there are more lives for us after this one (unlikely but who knows). Perhaps there will be someone, around that time, with similar views to yourself advocating for your abortion while you develop in the womb.

While I hold strong and deep seated issues regarding you I can say with a clear conscience that I would oppose that opinion just as strongly.

Perhaps you, on the other hand, would advocate for your own future abortion here now. You never know, your future parents could be reading this.

As much as I'd disagree, this could be your opportunity to persuade them.

Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Jan 2021 11.05am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yep , I would agree it would be irresponsible to believe that 'science', your quote marks, has de facto knowledge on pain in the unborn when they don't have full knowledge in adults, but again to ease you fears that is not what is happening. It is quiet a leap from we don’t know everything to we don’t know anything with a degree of scientific certainty. Science can’t not proof anything to a 100% certainty, classically there can always be the black swan that confounds the theory that all swans are white. However the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists can state with scientific certainty that, to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, from the known knowns and the known unknowns science can say that there is no or no credible evidence that suggests fetus feel pain prior to 24 weeks. There can always be the unknown unknown and researchers should always and are searching to extend our knowledge.
Sorry if you have found my post disgusting, I merely pointed out that your originally link claiming that New Zealand was going to hand out abortions on demand was utter rubbish, and quiet easily provable as rubbish.
You can find abortions disgusting that is your opinion and your right furthermore I would defend your right to have it., that is how a democracy work. I have pointed out scientific facts and those exist outside our stance on abortions. If society was to change it views on on abortion a fetus would not start to feel pain prior to 24 weeks on the application of that knowledge.

One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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You stated the law requires two doctors when it doesn't because it can be nurses or midwives....and then you call me a liar....when that's literally how the law was changed.

Speechless.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It is a pertinent point. I can't see a solution for it. If a woman doesn't want to have a baby, are we going to force her to? That seems unlikely. The whole issue is very emotive, rather than realistic. Ultimately, my own opinion is that there has to be some kind of informed choice, but also clear legal limits and a way to stop abuse of the system. By abuse, I mean women who have several abortions due to simply not caring and knowing the NHS will do it. That is callous in my opinion. It should be a major decision, not like buying shampoo in Boots.

Red and Blue Army!

In that case, why start such a contentious thread that you must have known would generate multiple opinions and strongly held views?

No you shouldn't, but maybe checking out whether are true or not might help

One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A