I’ll take that bullet having reached the stage whereby such issues are purely theoretical.
Personally I’d get injected with Clattenburg’s DNA if it meant the pubs reopening.

You state things like they are facts when they are not.

You make claims that you are not qualified to make.

You have to make it clear that it is just your opinion based on your own reasoning.

Giving people vitamin D on arrival is quite reasonable because it reduces the chance of a deficiency in patients that could impact on their recovery. That is not to say that it is some sort of miracle cure as you have previously implied.

Anyway, we basically agree on this subject and I have way more important things to be thinking about right now so byeeeee.

I'm not trying to tell people that being vaccinated stops the ability to pass it on. I'm saying there is a good rationale for that being the case (it is with several other viruses), and as such it's being explored as a distinct possibility. It makes sense for nurses and doctors for instance to get vaccinated if it may result in them all being available to treat the public rather than being staff outbreaks or 'potentially' passing it on to patients. It's a time sensitive situation. We don't have time to hang around until you personally feel comfortable with everything, or eventually say 'oh go on lets do that then' after the consequences of delaying vaccinating has already happened.

Yes, people in those age groups are clearly much less likely to die from covid but many thousands of them have been admitted to hospital in a bad way over the course of the year. When hospitals are at full capacity (as some are now) patients cannot be treated and people who wouldn't otherwise die do. Also, you're looking at this in an individualistic sense. In one as yet unfounded scenario there is a negative impact to the individual. In the other where it limits the individual passing it on, that stops staff shortages due to covid, passing it on to people who enter hospital with other illnesses etc. The knock on impact can be to hundreds of people and it's certainly not 'melodramatic' to call it a potentially life or death situation.

You could just as well argue that nobody should be given the vaccine because it's new and we can't know it's 100% safe. It's all about weighing up the potential positive or negative impact. I'm not saying care staff or hospital staff shouldn't be able to refuse the vaccine, but wake up to the fact that there may well pan out to be serious consequences for countless others as result of their decision. That is a perfectly possible outcome and I'm happy to go with perspectives I think will lower the bodycount.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Jan 2021 3.55pm)

Easy tiger. If you read back I agree with your opinions on the vaccine and will have mine at the earliest opportunity. Geez calm down Kermit. It was a question to the poster who wants 100% guarantee.

But you're talking as if the only potential negative consequence is to the individual. You're entirely blotting out the not unlikely scenario that if it does stop or limit people passing covid on, the decision not to vaccinate staff in care homes, and more so hospitals , would almost certainly result in grave consequences for others. You call that 'melodramatic' , while expecting thoughts on as yet unfounded side effects to take precedence.

If Maple is somehow to blame if there is consequence to his staff, then equally if it does turn out that vaccinating stops or reduces the ability to pass covid on, then it becomes you that's been propagating a message that endangers others. It's a time sensitive situation, we can't all mull things over for a year. For those dealing with the elderly or vulnerable, the rational and selfless decision with much more potential upside is clearly getting vaccinated. It's down to the individual of course, but the realities of the front line are far more grim than that of the armchair and so I can well understand Maple's advocacy and passion.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Jan 2021 3.38pm)

I'll have a pint of Wandle please

I would historically have said Young's but it's been ruined in recent years.

That is a vaccine, right? It's just one that needs multiple doses